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No Way Jose wrote: 24 Apr 2018, 22:24 Ederson has said he wants a goal “and pep knows it” so he might take a penalty out of left field :lol
Source?

Never heard any goalkeeper saying something that stupid. But I don't doubt it :)

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carver wrote: 25 Apr 2018, 09:48
No Way Jose wrote: 24 Apr 2018, 22:24 Ederson has said he wants a goal “and pep knows it” so he might take a penalty out of left field :lol
Now this is interesting

Surely he will get to take one

When City got the pen against Swansea, the South Stand were all singing "Give it to Ederson, give it to Ederson" - Ederson was just in front of us, and the pen was at the far end. Of course, Jesus then missed; but all this brought no response from either Ederson (or as far as I could see, from Pep on the touchline) until Bernardo put away the rebound and everyone was happy.

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Sure I saw Pep interviewed recently and they asked about the possibility of Ederson playing outfield (as some have mooted he’s good enough). He laughed it off and totally dismissed it talking about respecting the league and opposition etc.

Obviously taking a penalty is a different kettle of fish (and not completely unheard of)... but still edges towards the ‘not taking it seriously’ kind of vibe.

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I will be binning either Son or Mahrez for Sterling FOR GW37 but can't decide on who would be best to hold onto. :?

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I'd be astounded if Pep ever let Ederson take a penalty.

Imagine it's saved or rebounded? The other team will be able to run the ball down the pitch and possibly tap the ball into an open net. Pep with egg on his face all for a completely unnecessary and somewhat disrespectful decision.

I'd like to think he's smarter than that!

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So Pep will have Chilaversion to the idea? 8-)

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Bixer wrote: 25 Apr 2018, 11:31 I'd be astounded if Pep ever let Ederson take a penalty.

Imagine it's saved or rebounded? The other team will be able to run the ball down the pitch and possibly tap the ball into an open net. Pep with egg on his face all for a completely unnecessary and somewhat disrespectful decision.
1. He wouldn't miss . He strikes the ball so cleanly

2. If he did , it wouldnt be that easy to get up the pitch and score . You wouldn't leave an empty net , just stick a defender there to stop any silly 50 yard pot shots

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Zimmerman wrote: 25 Apr 2018, 11:15 Sure I saw Pep interviewed recently and they asked about the possibility of Ederson playing outfield (as some have mooted he’s good enough). He laughed it off and totally dismissed it talking about respecting the league and opposition etc.

Obviously taking a penalty is a different kettle of fish (and not completely unheard of)... but still edges towards the ‘not taking it seriously’ kind of vibe.
So was the proposition to play Ederson as an outfield player for the entire match? Well that would be interesting, I hope they do it just for the sake of entertainment! :lol:

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Stemania wrote: 25 Apr 2018, 11:48 So Pep will have Chilaversion to the idea? 8-)
He was a great goalkeeper :)

It's a shame Paraguay never got a penalty in World Cup, as I recall no goalkeeper has ever scored in World Cup.

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carver wrote: 25 Apr 2018, 09:48
No Way Jose wrote: 24 Apr 2018, 22:24 Ederson has said he wants a goal “and pep knows it” so he might take a penalty out of left field :lol
Now this is interesting

Surely he will get to take one
Last game of the season, he scores a penalty & wins me my mini-league :D

or...

Last game of the season, he misses a penalty & loses me my mini-league :(

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Jesus, Sterling & Sane for me. Got all 3 in last week, weirdly happy with having Sane as feels like a differential and I feel like all 3 will get good minutes till the end of the season.

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We all know that in case a team during a game has no more GK on pitch and on bench, one outfield player dons the gloves and becomes GK.

Do the rules allow the opposite?
I mean, with the starting GK (Ederson) still on pitch, a team bring on the 2nd GK from bench (in place of an outfield player), puts him between the posts, and moves the so-far GK to outfield?

I mean, but that's mere theory, could Pep not give just a pen, or a cornerkick chance, to Ederson, but let him even play the last 5 or 10 minutes of a sealed game in outfield?

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MoSe wrote: 25 Apr 2018, 12:42 I mean, but that's mere theory, could Pep not give just a pen, or a cornerkick chance, to Ederson, but let him even play the last 5 or 10 minutes of a sealed game in outfield?
Maybe Pep will sub on himself and take the gloves from Ederson, allowing Ederson to move OOP?

Imagine all the rage from oldschoolers! :lol:

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MoSe wrote: 25 Apr 2018, 12:42 We all know that in case a team during a game has no more GK on pitch and on bench, one outfield player dons the gloves and becomes GK.

Do the rules allow the opposite?
I mean, with the starting GK (Ederson) still on pitch, a team bring on the 2nd GK from bench (in place of an outfield player), puts him between the posts, and moves the so-far GK to outfield?

I mean, but that's mere theory, could Pep not give just a pen, or a cornerkick chance, to Ederson, but let him even play the last 5 or 10 minutes of a sealed game in outfield?
The great manager that was Stuart Pearce did this (at City coincidentally) when he played David James as an outfield player

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I had not heard of that, great anecdote. :)
But did he start James outfield in that game, or James started ad GK then moved outfield underway?

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I can’t remember. I seem to think he came off the bench straight on as an outfield player.

I could be wrong, but you are only nominated as a keeper (and have to wear the alternative shirt and gloves to signify that). In theory clubs could play swap keeper like we do/used to, when playing 6-aside with friends. Just like there is no rule that Dejan Lovren has to play CB there is no rule to say Simon Mignolet has to play in goal (insert your own disparaging punchline).

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Zimmerman wrote: 25 Apr 2018, 13:48 I can’t remember. I seem to think he came off the bench straight on as an outfield player.

I could be wrong, but you are only nominated as a keeper (and have to wear the alternative shirt and gloves to signify that). In theory clubs could play swap keeper like we do/used to, when playing 6-aside with friends. Just like there is no rule that Dejan Lovren has to play CB there is no rule to say Simon Mignolet has to play in goal (insert your own disparaging punchline).
Yeah but MoSe's question was more complicated than that. You don't really answer to his question.

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Which question?

Did he start? I think I answered it.
Can a keeper go from being a keeper to being an outfield player? I believe I also answered that.

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Zimmerman wrote: 25 Apr 2018, 14:29 Can a keeper go from being a keeper to being an outfield player? I believe I also answered that.
So you think goalkeeper can be swapped multiple times during the match without substitutions? I'm really not sure about that. Maybe you are right but I'd require a better source than "I just think".

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Changing the goalkeeper
Any of the players may change places with the goalkeeper if:
the referee is informed before the change is made
the change is made during a stoppage in play

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... he-players

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MoSe wrote: 25 Apr 2018, 12:42 We all know that in case a team during a game has no more GK on pitch and on bench, one outfield player dons the gloves and becomes GK.

Do the rules allow the opposite?
I mean, with the starting GK (Ederson) still on pitch, a team bring on the 2nd GK from bench (in place of an outfield player), puts him between the posts, and moves the so-far GK to outfield?

I mean, but that's mere theory, could Pep not give just a pen, or a cornerkick chance, to Ederson, but let him even play the last 5 or 10 minutes of a sealed game in outfield?

Something like this happened in a match I played in (long ago) when I was at college (but a proper UAU (if that means anything to anyone) game, with proper officials). The opposing team changed their GK at half time, one of their outfield players taking over the gloves while the first-half GK played outfield (no idea why - maybe an injury to one or other). The first time the new GK picked up the ball, the referee whistled up and awarded a penalty to us, for handball. There was much outrage on the part of our opponents but the referee explained they were perfectly entitled to change their GK, but they had to inform the referee of the change, which they had neglected to do. To calm things down (and since we were already well in the lead!), we agreed not to score the penalty, and the match continued...

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All they've said is Pep has allegedly said he'll allow Emerson to take a pen. Thats all we know

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Billy Bongo wrote: 25 Apr 2018, 15:32 All they've said is Pep has allegedly said he'll allow Emerson to take a pen. Thats all we know

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We do know a bit more than that - since when City were awarded a penalty while well in the lead against Swansea, Pep showed no interest in letting Ederson take it, and Ederson showed no interest at all in wanting to take it. So I suspect this is all mountains out of molehills stuff.

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David James was playing in goal until the last few minutes of that match. He subbed on the sub keeper and put James up front.

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Mr Clarinet wrote:
Billy Bongo wrote: 25 Apr 2018, 15:32 All they've said is Pep has allegedly said he'll allow Emerson to take a pen. Thats all we know

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We do know a bit more than that - since when City were awarded a penalty while well in the lead against Swansea, Pep showed no interest in letting Ederson take it, and Ederson showed no interest at all in wanting to take it. So I suspect this is all mountains out of molehills stuff.
I agree, its just nonsense

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Can't we take on from actual statements, and speculate about alternative options?

A pen is aleatory to come, short of City earning one, Ederson would get no chance to score.

So I *imagined* an alternative scenario, where Pep would even allow Ederson to come seeking that goal upfront in last minutes of a match, say with a header on set pieces.
And took start from there to make sure the chance existed, by inquiring about the rules.
I agree I know of no rule preventing it, sought confirmation

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Here's a video of the David James experiment...



And a couple of accompanying match reports (that confirm James started the match as goalkeeper):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 525109.stm

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... hestercity

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FingerPass wrote: 25 Apr 2018, 16:08 Here's a video of the David James experiment...
Well that was such a sketchy performance. He really looked like a pub standard player up front.

Would it be similar if Ederson played up front?

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FingerPass wrote: 25 Apr 2018, 16:08 Here's a video of the David James experiment...



Haha
So did James take the penalty and miss it? :lol: Noticed no difference in the scoreline .

Okay, just read it was Fowler..

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