So, ZeroRemorse. Let's say Harry is in a courthouse prosecuted for "not touching the ball" and the only evidence available are these two photos. You are the head juror. Would you then make your best effort to convince all jury members that these two photos as their own right are conclusive enough to convict him?ZeroRemorse wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:42I know we're flogging a dead horse here because we obviously view the stills differently but I will attempt one more time to sway opinions.hancockjr wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:32No-one on here thinks that he touched the ball. The debate is whether the photos prove that he didn’t. Except it’s not a debate as they don’t.ZeroRemorse wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:09
Called out by what? Literally no one has produced any evidence he touched the ball, so please be quiet and stop trying act all tough and dismissive
Don’t confuse whether he touched it with whether the photos provide proof he didn’t.
Go back and use the ball as a size and distance reference. The ball is larger than Harry's head in the first photo and smaller than his head in the 2nd when viewing from that angle (the ball looks like it is the same distance Kane to the camera). The ball in the 1st photo is visibly larger, as well as the Nike symbol, Shawcross's head and the badge on Harry's arm.
For me, this clearly shows the ball is past Harry or nearly past or even if it is above him, it still has too much work to do, to dip in time and graze his shoulder.
The 2nd photo the ball is coming to us but going to the left and it still looks like far too much work for it to drop and hit his shoulder.
That's how the stills appeared to me anyhow if we disagree that's fine.
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100%Finisher1 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 14:02
So, ZeroRemorse. Let's say Harry is in a courthouse prosecuted for "not touching the ball" and the only evidence available are these two photos. You are the head juror. Would you then make your best effort to convince all jury members that these two photos as their own right are conclusive enough to convict him?
I mean no real attempt was made to discredit the photo's other than "they don't prove anything".
Ball size compared with human head size and other size references make it clear cut for me where the ball is and how far above Kane it is.
But if others don't see it like that, then there's not much else I can add, other than referring to the other video that was posted to back it up.
That and Spurs history of dishonest character - GUILTY AS CHARGED!
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Oh dear. Good luck to anyone who ever ends up in a court where you are in the jury!ZeroRemorse wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 14:12100%Finisher1 wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 14:02
So, ZeroRemorse. Let's say Harry is in a courthouse prosecuted for "not touching the ball" and the only evidence available are these two photos. You are the head juror. Would you then make your best effort to convince all jury members that these two photos as their own right are conclusive enough to convict him?
I must say, I wouldn't be totally confident that he or she would get a rightful trial!
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I'm joking a bit obviously, I mean there's no way you could convict someone without some reasonable doubt with those photos in a court of law, but that's a completely different context.
I think the photo's definitely aid in whether he touched or not though, would like to hear some opinions on the size reference.
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ZeroRemorse wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 14:12 Ball size compared with human head size and other size references make it clear cut for me where the ball is and how far above Kane it is.
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I now call Harry's daughter to the stand
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The PL have given the goal to Harry Kane!
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Lol, the FA really are a weak cup of piss.
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It's nothing to do with the FA.
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Next, he'll be claiming Salah's goals.
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We knew that this would be the case although it is an interesting one. Kane was also on for 2 bps when the goal was given to him so that is 6 points he lost. I wonder how the final results of many money/prize leagues will be affected by those 6 points. Of course there has to be a cut-off. It would seem fairer to me that things can still be reviewed until 24 hours before the deadline for the next gameweek which still gives FPL time to rejig cup competitions. Of course, I am a Kane-owner I recognise to that this would be a nightmare for those who run FISO sidegames so maybe not such a good idea
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He got the goal, he should get the points, simple as that. If only
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Some reactions from Vardy and Salah.
Vardy: https://twitter.com/vardy7/status/984110224410841088
Salah: https://twitter.com/22mosalah/status/984102734117920768
Vardy: https://twitter.com/vardy7/status/984110224410841088
Salah: https://twitter.com/22mosalah/status/984102734117920768
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Well, that means Salah will demand from Klopp to play against one of the worst defenses in the league this weekend.ZeroRemorse wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 18:17 Some reactions from Vardy and Salah.
Vardy: https://twitter.com/vardy7/status/984110224410841088
Salah: https://twitter.com/22mosalah/status/984102734117920768
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It's interesting, isn't it!
LFC only have a few games to go. Here are my predictions of when he might be rested & score;
14th April vs Bournemouth (H) Start - possibly subbed 70th minute (depending on scoreline) 1 goal 1 assist
21st April vs WBA (A) Start if the game is on the 25th, possibly benched if the game is on the 24th 1 goal
24/25th April vs Bayern*/Madrid*/Roma Start
28th April vs Stoke (H) Benched - Possibly subbed on (Stoke are fighting for survival won't be an easy game, likely required late game for a result) 1 assist
May 1st/2nd vs Bayern*/Madrid*/Roma Start
06 May vs Chelsea (A) Start 1 goal
13th May vs Brighton (H) Start 2 goals 1 assist
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I suppose the PL didn't consult ZeroRemorse before giving the goal to Kane!
They probably missed the two particular photos.
They probably missed the two particular photos.
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Gateshead FC have tweeted ,awarding their 2nd goal at Tranmere last night to Harry Kane!
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A new panel has sat and decreed that the earlier panel did not miss the 2 particular photos.
The photos actually scraped their shoulders.
The photos actually scraped their shoulders.
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Here's another photo that doesn't actually prove anything - yet to me it's completely believable that this brushed his shoulder, whilst none of the video 'evidence' has proved that it didn't. I think this has been blown out of proportion, simply because the decision was reversed during the match, then appealed and reverted again. Yet there's been plenty of dubious goals awarded at the time (Lukaku's laces, Aguero's hair etc), which caused a raised eyebrow then simply accepted because the decision stood. Hopefully it can be laid to rest and Harry can bag a load of pearlers for our fantasy teams in the coming gameweeks
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Harry has also been credited using photo evidence of scoring following Ronaldo's worldly in Real's first leg at Juve
BREAKING....Harry Kane reportedly arrived at Spurs training today in a green jacket claiming to have won the Masters...The PGA to review it
BREAKING....Harry Kane reportedly arrived at Spurs training today in a green jacket claiming to have won the Masters...The PGA to review it
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Late to the convo, but this is better than reality TV.
Having taken 4/1 on Kane to win golden boot at the start of the season, the “cash out” dividend has been on a crazy little path over the past month!
Having taken 4/1 on Kane to win golden boot at the start of the season, the “cash out” dividend has been on a crazy little path over the past month!
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I like it!
It seems that Salah is normally a reasonably collective-target type of a fellow. It seemed that Klopp would bench Salah off and on during the home stretch.
But if one's main rival to the golden boot is absolutely crazy for personal glory, then one would invariably become more keen. Thus less chance of rotation for Salah in the long run. There will be some rotation I am sure, but not to the extent feared - would be my guess.
It seems that Salah is normally a reasonably collective-target type of a fellow. It seemed that Klopp would bench Salah off and on during the home stretch.
But if one's main rival to the golden boot is absolutely crazy for personal glory, then one would invariably become more keen. Thus less chance of rotation for Salah in the long run. There will be some rotation I am sure, but not to the extent feared - would be my guess.
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If you need any of us to join in at any time, AR, just let us knowAldershot Rejects wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 17:54We knew that this would be the case although it is an interesting one. Kane was also on for 2 bps when the goal was given to him so that is 6 points he lost. I wonder how the final results of many money/prize leagues will be affected by those 6 points. Of course there has to be a cut-off. It would seem fairer to me that things can still be reviewed until 24 hours before the deadline for the next gameweek which still gives FPL time to rejig cup competitions. Of course, I am a Kane-owner I recognise to that this would be a nightmare for those who run FISO sidegames so maybe not such a good idea
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No you're alrightSmurphy's Paw wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 07:48If you need any of us to join in at any time, AR, just let us knowAldershot Rejects wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 17:54We knew that this would be the case although it is an interesting one. Kane was also on for 2 bps when the goal was given to him so that is 6 points he lost. I wonder how the final results of many money/prize leagues will be affected by those 6 points. Of course there has to be a cut-off. It would seem fairer to me that things can still be reviewed until 24 hours before the deadline for the next gameweek which still gives FPL time to rejig cup competitions. Of course, I am a Kane-owner I recognise to that this would be a nightmare for those who run FISO sidegames so maybe not such a good idea
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I don't think he touched it but it doesn't mean that he isn't convinced he did.
It's annoying cause he had it and then it was taken away from us. I don't care about the golden boot, I care about my fantasy league points and I have missed out!
It's annoying cause he had it and then it was taken away from us. I don't care about the golden boot, I care about my fantasy league points and I have missed out!
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