It's true Liverpool are just 6th best defence in the Premier League, but that doesn't make City favourites.
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Can't remember a potential ITK being accurate a whole day before. Amazing.
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They will get in the top 4. There fixtures are pretty excellent. Brighton Stoke West Brom Bournemouth and 10 points clear of Chelsea in 5th.
There's no way most of there 1st team will play in games before the likes of R.Madrid and Barca.
Seen it before with Pool and resting players before later stages in Europe and we will see it again.
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Not sure why they do it really (low self-esteem - ego needs polishing?). If they are fans they are just giving advantage to the opposition......
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Then consider 1) their opposition and 2) the possibility that they don't play to their usual style.
When they lost to Man Utd in march, they were disjointed and lacked that forward verve they tend to have. You can say they had a creative block or were beaten tactically but they had nothing incisive going forward despite the number of shots.
When they lost to Man Utd in march, they were disjointed and lacked that forward verve they tend to have. You can say they had a creative block or were beaten tactically but they had nothing incisive going forward despite the number of shots.
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We're talking about them defensively.math! wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 17:05 Then consider 1) their opposition and 2) the possibility that they don't play to their usual style.
When they lost to Man Utd in march, they were disjointed and lacked that forward verve they tend to have. You can say they had a creative block or were beaten tactically but they had nothing incisive going forward despite the number of shots.
Liverpool have improved with the addition of Van Dijk and Karius's consistent performances, Klopp tactically has changed the fullbacks positioning when going forward, the two FBs used to both press forward in possesion and the two CB's would go wide to cover that space, leaving space in the middle, he now just has the one fullback advancing in possession and the CB's stay central with Can or Hendo in front of them, this shape and the addition of VVD who has the best aerial record in the prem by some distance has made the improvement so obvious that the attitude and idea of LFC conceding goals easily is outdated and no longer has any substance or value.
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Can and Hendo will both be absent on Weds....
Big match experience as a unit is also a factor, imho.
As above it is far from inevitable, either way but a Lpool goal or two will make it so.
Big match experience as a unit is also a factor, imho.
As above it is far from inevitable, either way but a Lpool goal or two will make it so.
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Just read the Can news, big blow for sure. Likely will play Milner there with Ox and Wjnaldum either side, not bad. They just need to go in with attacking intent.
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Yep, unlike MU., and is my point above. If 2-0 after 30 mins in the week, will those saying it is a formality now still be so confident.
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That's the exact mindset the players will be avoiding, fans should too because it does affect the team.
Respect and confidence is the correct approach.
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Indeedy, and certainly not the apparent complacency being shown here....ZeroRemorse wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:22That's the exact mindset the players will be avoiding, fans should too because it does affect the team.
Respect and confidence is the correct approach.
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What complacency, where?
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Posters above saying no way, BTSport pundits saying it was all over.....
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I'm not calling them bad defensively, my initial comment was made partially in jest (I thought it was obvious). Now I was talking about them defensively. It is easier to be defensively solid when your forward players overwhelm the opposition. A team like City could upset that as I alluded to, and that would test their defensive mettle in ways it may not have been tested before. Another thing you must consider is how long they have played with this shape. You'd want to avoid a false positive. Man Utd at the start of the season looked like serious title contenders for instance then around the time Pogba got injured they became a bit blunt.ZeroRemorse wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 17:49We're talking about them defensively.math! wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 17:05 Then consider 1) their opposition and 2) the possibility that they don't play to their usual style.
When they lost to Man Utd in march, they were disjointed and lacked that forward verve they tend to have. You can say they had a creative block or were beaten tactically but they had nothing incisive going forward despite the number of shots.
Liverpool have improved with the addition of Van Dijk and Karius's consistent performances, Klopp tactically has changed the fullbacks positioning when going forward, the two FBs used to both press forward in possesion and the two CB's would go wide to cover that space, leaving space in the middle, he now just has the one fullback advancing in possession and the CB's stay central with Can or Hendo in front of them, this shape and the addition of VVD who has the best aerial record in the prem by some distance has made the improvement so obvious that the attitude and idea of LFC conceding goals easily is outdated and no longer has any substance or value.
There is a lot of psychology in this and psychologically Liverpool have done well against City in the league ahead of that drubbing so they can feel confident against them. If that confidence is upset they could see a different result.
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The top 4 is not wrapped up.
Klopp should definitely have purchased at least 1 attacking asset in the winter to fill the void Coutinho left, Lallana is not reliable fitness wise and Ings and Solanke are not good enough yet, Origi isn't much better but he's another option, Grujic needed playing time but could be doing a good job now.
Basically, there is going to be a lot of rotation, the Stoke game is between the two semi-finals, so I imagine a B team will put out again there.
Klopp needs to be careful not to drop any more points in the EPL, because they play Chelsea away, which could turn out to be a 6 pointer.
Klopp should definitely have purchased at least 1 attacking asset in the winter to fill the void Coutinho left, Lallana is not reliable fitness wise and Ings and Solanke are not good enough yet, Origi isn't much better but he's another option, Grujic needed playing time but could be doing a good job now.
Basically, there is going to be a lot of rotation, the Stoke game is between the two semi-finals, so I imagine a B team will put out again there.
Klopp needs to be careful not to drop any more points in the EPL, because they play Chelsea away, which could turn out to be a 6 pointer.
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This will massively deflate City further, need to win it or Liverpool's chances of progressing even more certain than before.blahblah wrote:Posters above saying no way, BTSport pundits saying it was all over.....
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Not mathematically certain but all butZeroRemorse wrote:The top 4 is not wrapped up.
Klopp should definitely have purchased at least 1 attacking asset in the winter to fill the void Coutinho left, Lallana is not reliable fitness wise and Ings and Solanke are not good enough yet, Origi isn't much better but he's another option, Grujic needed playing time but could be doing a good job now.
Basically, there is going to be a lot of rotation, the Stoke game is between the two semi-finals, so I imagine a B team will put out again there.
Klopp needs to be careful not to drop any more points in the EPL, because they play Chelsea away, which could turn out to be a 6 pointer.
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I'm aware that City are capable of turning it on at the Etihad, but I'm pointing out LFC are unlikely to concede soft goals due to goalkeeping and defensive frailties which people still hold the belief that they are capable of doing as frequently in the past when they didn't have VVD and their different tactics. I'm a little tired of reading these cliches so I'm just trying to point out the obvious improvements defensively, it's not a false positive when the statistics as well as the tactical analysis back that up a good example being that City failed to register a shot on target at Anfield and LFC's defensive form has been the best in the UCL (7 clean sheets, 3 in a row in the KO stage) and since January one of the best in the league.math! wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:35
I'm not calling them bad defensively, my initial comment was made partially in jest (I thought it was obvious). Now I was talking about them defensively. It is easier to be defensively solid when your forward players overwhelm the opposition. A team like City could upset that as I alluded to, and that would test their defensive mettle in ways it may not have been tested before. Another thing you must consider is how long they have played with this shape. You'd want to avoid a false positive. Man Utd at the start of the season looked like serious title contenders for instance then around the time Pogba got injured they became a bit blunt.
There is a lot of psychology in this and psychologically Liverpool have done well against City in the league ahead of that drubbing so they can feel confident against them. If that confidence is upset they could see a different result.
There's a large contingent of people who have failed to recognize LFC's defensive improvements or just simply don't want to acknowledge them because they don't like them and it's painful for them to admit VVD is an excellent purchase.
For the record I never considered United title challengers, they started the season of with the kindest draw possible vs EPL giants Swansea and Stoke etc
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Yep this started with me saying if Citeh won and Lpool lost....liquidfootball2 wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:44This will massively deflate City further, need to win it or Liverpool's chances of progressing even more certain than before.blahblah wrote:Posters above saying no way, BTSport pundits saying it was all over.....
I haven't seen the goals properly: was Kompany anywhere near the Dead Sea parting....?
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and Robertson playing....ZeroRemorse wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 18:46 There's a large contingent of people who have failed to recognize LFC's defensive improvements or just simply don't want to acknowledge them because they don't like them and it's painful for them to admit VVD is an excellent purchase.
Pressure of CL QF is more my point along with fear of what Citeh could do.
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Pep's head just exploded
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I think City are more vulnerable defensively, really doubt they will keep a clean sheet and score 4 goals. The chances of that are very unlikely.
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Kompany ran the wrong away, and not for the first time.....
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My impression is Liverpool will be like Utd in their purple patch in the second half and create easily enough to make any City goals completely irrelevant
Tie is as good as over
Tie is as good as over
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I should point out I'm not anti-Liverpool (despite being a Chelsea fan). I admire what they are doing and Klopp as a manager. I like to be neutral and see what can possibly happen. I can only see City winning and advancing if they unsettle Liverpool the way Man U did in march and prevent them from getting chances. Not terribly likely but possible. Today hasn't looked good for them even though they started with a slightly weakened front.
I also still think Liverpool are a nightmare opponent for Barca and really want that tie to happen.
I also still think Liverpool are a nightmare opponent for Barca and really want that tie to happen.
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I dislike RM far more
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So Man C 6 - 3 Liverpool. You heard it here first
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Liverpool are now the only team unbeaten at home in the Premier League this season.
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