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Re: £4.0m/£4.5m defensive gems - 2017/18

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Lorenz94 wrote: 27 Aug 2017, 23:38
carver wrote: 20 Aug 2017, 18:33 Geoff Cameron 4.5 STO.

Stoke conceding only one from tough opening fixtures.

I guess hes first out though if they go 4 at the back. Little attacking threat.
They conceded 2 goals.
This was posted before GW3 ....

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OIEIAO wrote: 27 Aug 2017, 13:52 Looking at Kiko Fermania, 4.5, as a downgrade of Danilo, to be my 5th defender.

Watford have kept 2 clean sheets in a row and he's got 2 bonus in each.

Erratic fixtures but if I go for a week 11 (ish) wildcard i need cover most in the meantime in weeks 6 and 10, when Watford are respectively away to Swansea and home to Stoke.
What about Janmaat?

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asm_fanz wrote: 28 Aug 2017, 10:30
OIEIAO wrote: 27 Aug 2017, 13:52 Looking at Kiko Fermania, 4.5, as a downgrade of Danilo, to be my 5th defender.

Watford have kept 2 clean sheets in a row and he's got 2 bonus in each.

Erratic fixtures but if I go for a week 11 (ish) wildcard i need cover most in the meantime in weeks 6 and 10, when Watford are respectively away to Swansea and home to Stoke.
What about Janmaat?
Eek. Bad news if Janmaat returns and replaces him, certainly. Thought KF was first choice :(

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carver wrote: 28 Aug 2017, 07:37
Lorenz94 wrote: 27 Aug 2017, 23:38
carver wrote: 20 Aug 2017, 18:33 Geoff Cameron 4.5 STO.

Stoke conceding only one from tough opening fixtures.

I guess hes first out though if they go 4 at the back. Little attacking threat.
They conceded 2 goals.
This was posted before GW3 ....
My bad then :)

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Is Simpson safe at Leicester?

I assume Huth replaces Morgan but could maybe see Maguire switch to RB instead?

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Wimmer to stoke! 4.4m he's a good player

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Update on the Newcastle defensive setup.

Mike Ashley stated in his ridiculous PR interview for Sky that 'we can't compete with Man City'. Yesterday, the club failed in a bid to sign Saints reserve left back Matt Targett on a season long loan :D

Anyway, this means that the Mbemba at left back experiment may well continue - with Dummett out until November at the earliest.

So if you want a playing 4.0, Mbemba is looking the best bet by a long way.

The threat to his place would be Yedlin returning at RB after the international break and Manquillo shifting across to LB. Mbemba has played well at LB the last few weeks, so we'll see.

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It could also be that Clark moves across to LB with Lejeune now back; but yeah, Mbemba has gone from having very little chance of a run in the team to a decent chance now Dummett is expected to be out longer than anticipated and the club has failed miserably in the market. Potenially very fortunate for his owners.

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Wimmer looks potential gold at 4.4m in Stoke defence but will he definitely play? Zouma is clearly a lock, Shawcross has played every minute so far and Martins Indi appears to be very popular with Hughes. So it looks like they need to continue with 3 at the back for Wimmer to even have a chance. But then again are Stoke in a position to bench an 18m player?

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Wimmer could be a good pick. 3 of Stoke's next 5 look tough but weeks 9 to 20 only have a couple of bad games, so there's time to assess how he and Stoke are getting on.

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I personally cant see Wimmer starting. I know they spent 18m but thats peanuts these days. Still think Shawcross Zouma and Martins Indi are ahead of him but I could be wrong.
One to keep an eye on for sure.

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Can we assume that Evans staying at West Brom will mean Hegazi being dropped from first team?

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Klaren wrote: 02 Sep 2017, 13:02 Can we assume that Evans staying at West Brom will mean Hegazi being dropped from first team?
I'd assume he could easily be preferrred to MacAuley.

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Definitely under threat, Evans will come back in. He may also keep Dawson centre half with Nyom right back and Kieran Gibbs left back. Hegazi and Macauley sitting out. Although might be a chance Pulis dabbles with 3 at the back like a lot of mangers now.

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hancockjr wrote: 02 Sep 2017, 19:48
Klaren wrote: 02 Sep 2017, 13:02 Can we assume that Evans staying at West Brom will mean Hegazi being dropped from first team?
I'd assume he could easily be preferrred to MacAuley.
Even if he is preferred to McAuley, he will still be in competition with Dawson and Evans. Considering his mistake that cost them the win in the last match, I don't think he will be preferred to either of those two.

With the results they got in the first 3 weeks, I can't see them changing their formation soon either.

I have Danilo and Mariappa in the team as well, so will probably sell him for -4 before next GW. Just hoping his price goes up again though before I have to sell him.

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Wimmer and Hegazi were always backup options imo. Good signings for their respective clubs but definitely not safe! Probably stick with Hegazi for now, unless you have a spare transfer. I wouldn't touch Wimmer until we know the Stoke starting XI.

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Klaren wrote: 02 Sep 2017, 22:41
hancockjr wrote: 02 Sep 2017, 19:48
Klaren wrote: 02 Sep 2017, 13:02 Can we assume that Evans staying at West Brom will mean Hegazi being dropped from first team?
I'd assume he could easily be preferrred to MacAuley.
Even if he is preferred to McAuley, he will still be in competition with Dawson and Evans. Considering his mistake that cost them the win in the last match, I don't think he will be preferred to either of those two.

With the results they got in the first 3 weeks, I can't see them changing their formation soon either.

I have Danilo and Mariappa in the team as well, so will probably sell him for -4 before next GW. Just hoping his price goes up again though before I have to sell him.
How do we determine it was Hegazi's mistake? Wasn't it just as much Foster not shouting loud enough or not clearing the ball (and Hegazi) out? Is Foster going to be dropped?

No idea, only asking....

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Would wimmer have (being a spurs sub) moved to be a stoke sub?

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The Catman wrote: 03 Sep 2017, 11:31
Klaren wrote: 02 Sep 2017, 22:41
hancockjr wrote: 02 Sep 2017, 19:48
Klaren wrote: 02 Sep 2017, 13:02 Can we assume that Evans staying at West Brom will mean Hegazi being dropped from first team?
I'd assume he could easily be preferrred to MacAuley.
Even if he is preferred to McAuley, he will still be in competition with Dawson and Evans. Considering his mistake that cost them the win in the last match, I don't think he will be preferred to either of those two.

With the results they got in the first 3 weeks, I can't see them changing their formation soon either.

I have Danilo and Mariappa in the team as well, so will probably sell him for -4 before next GW. Just hoping his price goes up again though before I have to sell him.
How do we determine it was Hegazi's mistake? Wasn't it just as much Foster not shouting loud enough or not clearing the ball (and Hegazi) out? Is Foster going to be dropped?

No idea, only asking....
When I saw the goal, I thought Hegazi's mistake, but I might be wrong and it might be just as much Foster's mistake as well like you said.

However I think that (and I might not have been very clear about this on my former post) the main reason Hegazi will be dropped is Evans coming back from injury and the mistake would only contribute to him losing his place in the team in my opinion.

The difference between Foster and Hegazi is that Foster is the first choice keeper of West Brom and has more credit than Hegazi, who has been brought in as a rotation player and has only played in 3 official matches with the team so far. So, no, I don't think the mistake would impact Foster's position in the team, whereas it possibly could for Hegazi.

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Wimmer and Hegazi were always backup options imo. Good signings for their respective clubs but definitely not safe!
Stoke paid 17.5m for Wimmer, Man City might pay that for a backup but not Stoke - he will play 100%

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I agree, i reckon Wimmer will take Geoff Cameron place in the team

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Stevieste wrote: 04 Sep 2017, 12:55 I agree, i reckon Wimmer will take Geoff Cameron place in the team
cameron plays in midfield doesn't he?

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fred1266 wrote: 04 Sep 2017, 16:19
Stevieste wrote: 04 Sep 2017, 12:55 I agree, i reckon Wimmer will take Geoff Cameron place in the team
cameron plays in midfield doesn't he?
Cameron's played outside D, center D and outside mid.

So, Wimmer may take ONE of Cameron's spots, but Cameron still would have at least another spot, outside mid, for which to compete.

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Is Kieran Gibbs a guaranteed starter for West Brom? Who's been playing left back previously - Brunt?

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Yes brunt. No new signing is ever a guaranteed starter.

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If Clyne is crocked for three months, I wonder if that makes Gomez or TAA a potential defensive gem? Any Liverpool fans have insight into who is the first choice, or is it a case of role-sharing with rotation coming as and when Klopp decides to give one a rest?

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dino1980 wrote: 05 Sep 2017, 11:27 If Clyne is crocked for three months, I wonder if that makes Gomez or TAA a potential defensive gem? Any Liverpool fans have insight into who is the first choice, or is it a case of role-sharing with rotation coming as and when Klopp decides to give one a rest?
3 months? Well, hello. Would love Gomez to nab that spot. Any thoughts on that Liverpool fans would be great indeed.

I guess Milner could move to the RB allowing Robertson to continue at LB, I find it a bit odd that he's considered a strong LB option by Klopp, but not apparently a RB one!

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I don't think there has been a update for the length of his injury, but he isn't included in Liverpool's CL-squad for the group stage so you would expect him to be out for a while.

Gomez was praised after his game against Arsenal, but then again you have TAA there aswell. I don't think Milner is a contender at RB. So I wouldn't touch Liverpool-backs atm as I think there's to much uncertainty and probably a lot of rotation.

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hancockjr wrote: 05 Sep 2017, 08:13No new signing is ever a guaranteed starter.

I don't know about that. I doubt PSG have spent nearly £200m on Neymar to put him on the bench.

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Post by Aldershot Rejects »

Update on Clyne injury (doesn't look like he will be back soon). I wouldn't know from this whether Gomez or AA is first choice, or whether they will rotate.

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/first-t ... -situation

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