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As far as I can see, there will be 3 (minimum) DGW opportunities. One will be caused by the EFL Cup Final on 26/2. That is GW26. Two of the following games will be postponed that weekend: City v United; Hull v Burnley; Soton v Arsenal; Leicester v Liverpool. So, 4 teams with blanks that weekend and 2 games needing to be re-scheduled. Those games could just be put back to 1/3 (meaning no DGW at all) but they don't usually do that. The next natural slot for them would seem to be 25-26/4 (GW34) if UEFA fixtures and international breaks are to be avoided. They weren't always avoided last season, however. Could easily be that the 2 games happen in different gameweeks.
The second will be occasioned by the FA Cup QFs on 11/3. That is GW28. Anything up to 16 teams could blank that weekend though on previous experience you'd expect 4-6 games to be affected. That would cause a DGW for 8-12 teams and that will probably be the big one assuming they are all scheduled for the same midweek. As far as I can tell from a fairly cursory look, the first free slot for those games would be GW34 midweek (25-26/4) because the intervening period has UEFA EL/CL games plus an international break to navigate.
The third will be caused by the FAC SFs on 22-23/4. As many as 4 games (8 teams) could be blankers. That's GW34. It seems possible, in fact, that some teams could lose and gain FPL fixtures in the same gameweek. Whatever, we'll know nearer the time. The clear slot for the games postponed for the SFs would be GW37 midweek. Pretty much as last season in fact.
The second will be occasioned by the FA Cup QFs on 11/3. That is GW28. Anything up to 16 teams could blank that weekend though on previous experience you'd expect 4-6 games to be affected. That would cause a DGW for 8-12 teams and that will probably be the big one assuming they are all scheduled for the same midweek. As far as I can tell from a fairly cursory look, the first free slot for those games would be GW34 midweek (25-26/4) because the intervening period has UEFA EL/CL games plus an international break to navigate.
The third will be caused by the FAC SFs on 22-23/4. As many as 4 games (8 teams) could be blankers. That's GW34. It seems possible, in fact, that some teams could lose and gain FPL fixtures in the same gameweek. Whatever, we'll know nearer the time. The clear slot for the games postponed for the SFs would be GW37 midweek. Pretty much as last season in fact.
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Cool, cheers. The main thing to note for now is that I'm not going to make the mistake again of relying on Andy Carroll to perform in two games in a row.
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And I'm not going to waste my WC on the wrong GW
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You're a genius MoSe - great links (especially your one - your presentation is by far the best).
I think we can expect GW34/37 to pretty much be the standard until the format of any comp changes. The question will be - how far will the PL teams get in Europe this season and will we have the troublesome situation that those teams end up being the same ones that do well in the cup, a la Liverpool last year?
For example, your table suggest the GW26 cup-finalists could just play their postponed game in midweek GW26 right? I think that's what the OP stated too looking back. Looks fairly likely to me - I think last year the issue was the cup final didn't have that option in the immediate midweek after if I remember rightly? Though I do remember GW25 being an option of some sort that wasn't taken up for whatever reason - one that bit them in the bum later when Liverpool had so many games to fit in.
I think we can expect GW34/37 to pretty much be the standard until the format of any comp changes. The question will be - how far will the PL teams get in Europe this season and will we have the troublesome situation that those teams end up being the same ones that do well in the cup, a la Liverpool last year?
For example, your table suggest the GW26 cup-finalists could just play their postponed game in midweek GW26 right? I think that's what the OP stated too looking back. Looks fairly likely to me - I think last year the issue was the cup final didn't have that option in the immediate midweek after if I remember rightly? Though I do remember GW25 being an option of some sort that wasn't taken up for whatever reason - one that bit them in the bum later when Liverpool had so many games to fit in.
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well, maybe graphically, or rather, in the layout...Stemania wrote:You're a genius MoSe - great links (especially your one - your presentation is by far the best).
But Ben Crellin's tool is invaluable, he takes the effort of investigating all possible dgw options and categorise them (yet to come at this point), presents it in a very organised way, and above all he'll keep it updated almost real time.
At least that's what he did last season
Mine, it's just a calendar I drew for myself, to easier decide when I can take leave from office, and when I'll have sidegames update commitments
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In that case I order you to do whatever you want to do.math! wrote:I'm going to do what everyone tells me to do
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Cheers thanks for the heads up about the potential DGWs
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from https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... PZcbi51ZbI
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%8 ... und_Proper
FA Cup 3rd Round Draw (PL clubs)
FPL DGW preview 2016_17.xlsx updated
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%8 ... und_Proper
FA Cup 3rd Round Draw (PL clubs)
Fri 06/01 | ______________________________________________________________________________ | ||
West Ham | vs | Man City | |
Sat 07/01 | ______________________________________________________________________________ | ||
Man United | vs | Reading | |
Hull | vs | Swansea | |
Sunderland | vs | Burnley | |
Millwall | vs | Bournemouth | |
West Brom | vs | Derby | |
Everton | vs | Leicester | |
Watford | vs | Burton | |
Stoke | vs | Wolves | |
Bolton | vs | Crystal Palace | |
Norwich | vs | Southampton | |
Preston | vs | Arsenal | |
Sun 08/01 | ______________________________________________________________________________ | ||
Liverpool | vs | Plymouth | |
Chelsea | vs | Peterborough | |
Middlesbrough | vs | Sheffield Wed. | |
Tottenham | vs | Aston Villa |
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Thanks, MoSe. Personally I am more concerned with the EFL Cup Final and potential GW26 blanks right now, the FA Cup issue is a bit further away. The EFL Cup SF first leg games happen before GW21, fortunately, and we should have a better steer on what's what after that.
On the FA Cup element, the interesting thing is that there should be 6 weeks between the GW28 blanks and the GW34 DGW as it looks. That could make wildcarding in GW28 quite an interesting option because you could then set up to field 11 in GW28 have 6 FTs to prepare for the DGW.
On the FA Cup element, the interesting thing is that there should be 6 weeks between the GW28 blanks and the GW34 DGW as it looks. That could make wildcarding in GW28 quite an interesting option because you could then set up to field 11 in GW28 have 6 FTs to prepare for the DGW.
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if the QF draw is held on the same day of previous round as usual, after the matches, from 19 Feb to midweek GW26 Wed March 1st there's 10 days, dunno whether that's enough due notice to bring forward one of the affected GW28 matches.Ruth_NZ wrote:On the FA Cup element, the interesting thing is that there should be 6 weeks between the GW28 blanks and the GW34 DGW as it looks.
Although I agree that it's less likely
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The FA guideline is 21 days for re-scheduled games apart from FA Cup replays (contingencies for which can be made in advance). They can vary that, it's not hard and fast, but I don't see any GW28 games coming forward to GW26, that seems highly unlikely anyway.MoSe wrote:if the QF draw is held on the same day of previous round as usual, after the matches, from 19 Feb to midweek GW26 Wed March 1st there's 10 days, dunno whether that's enough due notice to bring forward one of the affected GW28 matches.Ruth_NZ wrote:On the FA Cup element, the interesting thing is that there should be 6 weeks between the GW28 blanks and the GW34 DGW as it looks.
Although I agree that it's less likely
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As it stands, West Ham will have games on both QF & SF weekends
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GW28 Blanks
At the moment, the following GW28 games are on:
Bournemouth v West Ham
Everton v WBA
The other 8 could still be blanks.
Navigating the GW26 and GW28 blanks will be the first task. Unless the GW26 games postponed for the EFL Cup Final are played later in the same gameweek but personally I consider that less likely. We'll see.
At the moment, the following GW28 games are on:
Bournemouth v West Ham
Everton v WBA
The other 8 could still be blanks.
Navigating the GW26 and GW28 blanks will be the first task. Unless the GW26 games postponed for the EFL Cup Final are played later in the same gameweek but personally I consider that less likely. We'll see.
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Ben Crellin cared to warn in his updated file:Ruth_NZ wrote:Unless the GW26 games postponed for the EFL Cup Final are played later in the same gameweek but personally I consider that less likely. We'll see.
"TEAMS ARE UNLIKELY TO HAVE BLANKS IN GAMEWEEK 34 BECAUSE THE FOLLOWING MIDWEEK IS FREE"
I wonder why he didn't consider the same option for GW26
What makes GW26 and GW34 different?
in his Calendar he has FA Cup R5 Replays (which I didn't consider) potentially scheduled for GW26 midweek
True, teams in the LC Final will be known 1 month in advance, while the need for those same two teams to have a R5 Replay can't be ruled out till 10 days earlier (19/02), unelss they get out in R4 of course (29/01)
I figure that GW26 matches concerning the two LC Finalists could be provisionally scheduled for GW26 midweek, pending any Replay involving one of the 4 teams.Ruth_NZ wrote:The FA guideline is 21 days for re-scheduled games apart from FA Cup replays (contingencies for which can be made in advance)
Should no Replay get in the way, the postponed matches will have benefited of a 5 weeks notice (after 25-26/01 SF 2nd legs)
Should a Replay force a rescheduling, the GW26 postponed matches will be furtherly postponed to GW34, with 10 days advance over the provisional scheduling, and 9 weeks advance over the rescheduled date...
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Ben Crellin is kind of right and kind of wrong in my view. The GW28 FA Cup games will cause blanks, agreed. Those games are very unlikely to go forward to GW26, they occasionally do it for the odd game but not wholesale. Those games are likely to be re-scheduled (all or most) in GW34 midweek. So while the GW34 midweek is free now, it won't be by the time we get there. The GW34 blank games will probably go into GW37 midweek.MoSe wrote:Ben Crellin cared to warn in his updated file:Ruth_NZ wrote:Unless the GW26 games postponed for the EFL Cup Final are played later in the same gameweek but personally I consider that less likely. We'll see.
"TEAMS ARE UNLIKELY TO HAVE BLANKS IN GAMEWEEK 34 BECAUSE THE FOLLOWING MIDWEEK IS FREE"
I wonder why he didn't consider the same option for GW26
What makes GW26 and GW34 different?
in his Calendar he has FA Cup R5 Replays (which I didn't consider) potentially scheduled for GW26 midweek
True, teams in the LC Final will be known 1 month in advance, while the need for those same two teams to have a R5 Replay can't be ruled out till 10 days earlier (19/02), unelss they get out in R4 of course (29/01)
So, as I said in the OP regarding GW34, "it seems possible that some teams could lose and gain FPL fixtures in the same gameweek". But the fixtures added won't be the GW34 blank games going back a few days, they will be the GW28 blank games (in the main anyhow). That means that GW34 probably won't be as big a DGW as last season. The FA Cup semi-finalists (and their opponents) won't get a DGW in GW34, neither will they get a blank, they'll most likely get one midweek game (but it won't be the one currently shown in the GW34 calendar, it will be the GW28 game).
The only teams likely to get a GW34 DGW are the EFL Cup finalists and/or their opponents (if deferred from GW26) but only the teams that are also out of the FA Cup. And the losing FA Cup quarter-finalists and/or their opponents (but again, only the team(s) concerned are out of the FA Cup).
I'd be somewhat surprised if more than 8 teams had a DGW in G34 in other words, it may even be less. Last season it was 10.
Oh, and where GW26 is different is that the EFL Cup Final is played on a Sunday, that eliminates the Tuesday as a free date. The Wednesday could be possible but they tend not to re-schedule games that close to a Cup Final that could go to 120 minutes, the clubs wouldn't tend to favour that either.
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When's best for wildcard and other bonuses
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Bench boost and triple captain are great for dgw (just remember you can't use both)
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I know it's still early, but this sank to page 2, and my back aches at bending that low to pick it up
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/fa-cup/fixtures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%8 ... und_Proper
4th Round (last 32) 11 matches with PL sides
Friday 27 19:55 Derby vs Leicester
Saturday 12:30 Liverpool vs Wolves
Saturday 15:00 Tottenham vs Wycombe
Saturday 15:00 Chelsea vs Brentford
Saturday 15:00 Burnley vs Bristol City
Saturday 15:00 Middlesbrough vs Accrington
Saturday 15:00 Crystal Palace vs Man City
Saturday 17:30 Southampton vs Arsenal
Sunday 12:00 Millwall vs Watford
Sunday 12:30 Fulham vs Hull
Sunday 16:00 Man United vs Wigan
Monday, 30 January
FA Cup fifth round draw (as part of The One Show, 19:20 GMT)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... PZcbi51ZbI
before that, we'll get to know GW26 EFL Cup finalist teams
Wed 25th Liverpool v Southampton (agg 0-1) 20:00
Thur 26th Hull City v Man United (agg 0-2) 19:45
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/fa-cup/fixtures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%8 ... und_Proper
4th Round (last 32) 11 matches with PL sides
Friday 27 19:55 Derby vs Leicester
Saturday 12:30 Liverpool vs Wolves
Saturday 15:00 Tottenham vs Wycombe
Saturday 15:00 Chelsea vs Brentford
Saturday 15:00 Burnley vs Bristol City
Saturday 15:00 Middlesbrough vs Accrington
Saturday 15:00 Crystal Palace vs Man City
Saturday 17:30 Southampton vs Arsenal
Sunday 12:00 Millwall vs Watford
Sunday 12:30 Fulham vs Hull
Sunday 16:00 Man United vs Wigan
Monday, 30 January
FA Cup fifth round draw (as part of The One Show, 19:20 GMT)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... PZcbi51ZbI
before that, we'll get to know GW26 EFL Cup finalist teams
Wed 25th Liverpool v Southampton (agg 0-1) 20:00
Thur 26th Hull City v Man United (agg 0-2) 19:45
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Re: DGW Early Scan
Not too much early thought from other managers regarding blank GW26/GW28 ?
Utd beating Wigan could lead to them having a blank GW26 and GW28. What are the Ibra owners thoughts?
Possibility as well with Pool. Few people bringing Coutinho in so soon after injury but he could miss the 2 and just play the GW27.
Regards to FA Cup some teams look to be strong favourites (Pool Spurs Chelsea UTD) so I can see a lot of managers struggling to field close to 11 players come GW28.
Utd beating Wigan could lead to them having a blank GW26 and GW28. What are the Ibra owners thoughts?
Possibility as well with Pool. Few people bringing Coutinho in so soon after injury but he could miss the 2 and just play the GW27.
Regards to FA Cup some teams look to be strong favourites (Pool Spurs Chelsea UTD) so I can see a lot of managers struggling to field close to 11 players come GW28.
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It's difficult to plan too much at the moment when there is so much uncertainty. Ibra may miss both GW26 & GW28, but he might play both although that is unlikely. At the moment I could lose both Sanchez and Ibra for 26 & 28 in which case I will probably move one of them on.
We do know some sides that definitely play both and it seems wise to factor that into our transfers particularly when you are making 50:50 calls. It would also seem a wise time to plan to upgrade the dead wood (Mr Amat I'm talking about you) since these two weeks will test squad strength.
We do know some sides that definitely play both and it seems wise to factor that into our transfers particularly when you are making 50:50 calls. It would also seem a wise time to plan to upgrade the dead wood (Mr Amat I'm talking about you) since these two weeks will test squad strength.
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We should know the majority of GW28 blanks before next gameweek (GW23), pending replays being the only gaps in knowledge, and there's not a huge amount that can be done/said until that time.cesc408 wrote:Not too much early thought from other managers regarding blank GW26/GW28 ?
As for GW26, it still looks possible that the games will be rearranged for midweek GW26, meaning no blank. Either way, again we will know the teams before GW23.
Probably best that someone starts a new thread before GW23 on the blanks(/how we'll all get round them) when the teams involved are formalised.
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I agree it is difficult to plan too much as we are still awaiting results, However I'm just going to make up and put a possible popular team together...
Heaton
Alonso Rose Baines
Eriksen Sanchez Lallana Phillips
Costa Ibra Lukaku
Subs: Pickford Chambers Amat De Roon
Let's just go with this team for talk sake.
Obviously it's not written in stone who will qualify for the next round but as a betting man I would say all of the following BPL teams will go through, and therefore miss GW28.
Liverpool vs Wolves
Tottenham vs Wycombe
Chelsea vs Brentford
Burnley vs Bristol City
Middlesbrough vs Accrington
Man Unitid vs Wigan
If that was the case that will leave us Baines, Sanchez, Phillips, Lukaku, Pickford, Amat. (If Sanchez doesn't progress with Arsenal and Leicester lose to Derby, Pickford awaiting Middlesbrough result)
We are approaching GW22 so there is plenty of time left to think ahead but with the amount of "easy" ties some of the popular teams have I can see plenty of mangers either taking hits or missing out on having close to 11 players for GW28.
Due to the amount of BPL vs Championship ties and assuming the favourites qualify, GW28 could have just 3 original fixtures: Will people be wanting to transfer in players from Hull/Swansea/WH who have been poor most of the season to try and get some points in for that week?
Heaton
Alonso Rose Baines
Eriksen Sanchez Lallana Phillips
Costa Ibra Lukaku
Subs: Pickford Chambers Amat De Roon
Let's just go with this team for talk sake.
Obviously it's not written in stone who will qualify for the next round but as a betting man I would say all of the following BPL teams will go through, and therefore miss GW28.
Liverpool vs Wolves
Tottenham vs Wycombe
Chelsea vs Brentford
Burnley vs Bristol City
Middlesbrough vs Accrington
Man Unitid vs Wigan
If that was the case that will leave us Baines, Sanchez, Phillips, Lukaku, Pickford, Amat. (If Sanchez doesn't progress with Arsenal and Leicester lose to Derby, Pickford awaiting Middlesbrough result)
We are approaching GW22 so there is plenty of time left to think ahead but with the amount of "easy" ties some of the popular teams have I can see plenty of mangers either taking hits or missing out on having close to 11 players for GW28.
Due to the amount of BPL vs Championship ties and assuming the favourites qualify, GW28 could have just 3 original fixtures: Will people be wanting to transfer in players from Hull/Swansea/WH who have been poor most of the season to try and get some points in for that week?
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As I say, perhaps it's all worth of a new thread (I'm loving the use of MS Paint or equivalent btw ). I think all we can really say for now is that certain personnel need watching - I can see Siggy becoming popular from GW27 for example:
Burnley (H), Hull (A), Bournemouth (A), Middlesbrough (H),
but that's 6 gameweeks away still, which is an awful long time in FPL. With Everton playing Hull at home in GW29 I'm sure there'll be many a Blue buyer in that period too even if 3 or 4 other games are still on - though I would guess they'll already be popular by then anyway in view of current fixtures.
I might be tempted to invest in an 8th playable attacker in that period just to see myself through - it's almost a pity there's still a lot of good defensive fixtures about in GW27/29 as otherwise they might have been nice AOA spots.
Burnley (H), Hull (A), Bournemouth (A), Middlesbrough (H),
but that's 6 gameweeks away still, which is an awful long time in FPL. With Everton playing Hull at home in GW29 I'm sure there'll be many a Blue buyer in that period too even if 3 or 4 other games are still on - though I would guess they'll already be popular by then anyway in view of current fixtures.
I might be tempted to invest in an 8th playable attacker in that period just to see myself through - it's almost a pity there's still a lot of good defensive fixtures about in GW27/29 as otherwise they might have been nice AOA spots.
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Having not worried at all about potential blanks thus far, that potential GW28 schedule is a bit scary!
Especially as I'm (somewhat reluctantly) close to selling Sigurdsson this week. If I'm going to want him back soon enough anyway, maybe I really will look elsewhere for a move!
Especially as I'm (somewhat reluctantly) close to selling Sigurdsson this week. If I'm going to want him back soon enough anyway, maybe I really will look elsewhere for a move!
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I think you're getting ahead of yourself. You are listing FA Cup 4th round ties but GW28 is the 6th round (quarter finals). All those teams are still 2 rounds away from having a GW28 blank.cesc408 wrote:I agree it is difficult to plan too much as we are still awaiting results, However I'm just going to make up and put a possible popular team together...
Heaton
Alonso Rose Baines
Eriksen Sanchez Lallana Phillips
Costa Ibra Lukaku
Subs: Pickford Chambers Amat De Roon
Let's just go with this team for talk sake.
Obviously it's not written in stone who will qualify for the next round but as a betting man I would say all of the following BPL teams will go through, and therefore miss GW28.
Liverpool vs Wolves
Tottenham vs Wycombe
Chelsea vs Brentford
Burnley vs Bristol City
Middlesbrough vs Accrington
Man Unitid vs Wigan
If that was the case that will leave us Baines, Sanchez, Phillips, Lukaku, Pickford, Amat. (If Sanchez doesn't progress with Arsenal and Leicester lose to Derby, Pickford awaiting Middlesbrough result)
We are approaching GW22 so there is plenty of time left to think ahead but with the amount of "easy" ties some of the popular teams have I can see plenty of mangers either taking hits or missing out on having close to 11 players for GW28.
Due to the amount of BPL vs Championship ties and assuming the favourites qualify, GW28 could have just 3 original fixtures:
Screenshot_2017-01-20-10-00-56.jpg
Will people be wanting to transfer in players from Hull/Swansea/WH who have been poor most of the season to try and get some points in for that week?
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Re: DGW Early Scan
Hmm. 5th round fixture set-up is the point when the jugglery starts. When does that happen, does anyone have any idea?
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Re: DGW Early Scan
Yes, in February
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... PZcbi51ZbI
http://www.thefa.com/competitions/thefa ... ound-dates
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ySvQdJtjdk
Inbetween GW25 & GW26, taking up a whole PL-less weekend
Thus before LC Final GW26 blanks
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... PZcbi51ZbI
http://www.thefa.com/competitions/thefa ... ound-dates
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... ySvQdJtjdk
Inbetween GW25 & GW26, taking up a whole PL-less weekend
Thus before LC Final GW26 blanks
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Re: DGW Early Scan
It's a sad life my brother. You fell into the trap of the Caroll TC for the DGW?eastcentral1 wrote:Cool, cheers. The main thing to note for now is that I'm not going to make the mistake again of relying on Andy Carroll to perform in two games in a row.
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