Goalkeepers 4.0m Crisis

[yttod1010]

everyone hates Keeper substituitions but i think the 4.0 keepers may be about to end with Mannone/Butland returninf and Hull having Marshall

im not sure where to turn at the moment im almost considering Sanchez to Ozil to free up funds ....crikey

whats everyone else thinking

[ZeroRemorse]

There's a wildcard coming up a month later. Just going to stick with Grant/Foster until then. Grant's playing well, so with a bit of luck he might get the Bournemouth and Watford fixture. But a 4.0m GK is the least of my transfer concerns currently.

[yttod1010]

Wildcard!!?? i wont be using the wildcard to get a keeper

[ZeroRemorse]

Wildcard!!?? i wont be using the wildcard to get a keeper

You really think that's what I meant?

[Weisenwolf]

Well Pickford won that last game, I wouldn't drop him, I don't think Moist will either.

[yttod1010]

Wildcard!!?? i wont be using the wildcard to get a keeper

You really think that's what I meant?

well i was kind of saying i wont be wildcarding in January but you know you have your agenda and i have my mine

when Mannone is fit ...i think Moyes will be under pressure to bring him back for experience alone

[Mav3rick]

I think so too, but Pickford played well last match, and of course they won. I think he likely will end up benched, but when exactly I've no idea. I can't imagine any of the team being changed for Hull, so maybe it will take a mistake from Pickford or a thrashing for Sunderland for it to happen.

I felt he was on the verge of being dropped, but that last performance was good enough to stay in the team for the short term at least.

When is Butland back? I know he had a "set back" buy haven't seen when he is likely to actually play again for Stoke?

[ZeroRemorse]

I think so too, but Pickford played well last match, and of course they won. I think he likely will end up benched, but when exactly I've no idea. I can't imagine any of the team being changed for Hull, so maybe it will take a mistake from Pickford or a thrashing for Sunderland for it to happen.

I felt he was on the verge of being dropped, but that last performance was good enough to stay in the team for the short term at least.

When is Butland back? I know he had a "set back" buy haven't seen when he is likely to actually play again for Stoke?

He's back in training and it sounds positive, it sounds like he's penciled in Watford. If Grant has a blinder vs Bournemouth he might get a few more games between the sticks.

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/stoke-ci ... story.html

[Albert_ini]

When is Butland back? I know he had a "set back" buy haven't seen when he is likely to actually play again for Stoke?

Butland returned to first-team training on Monday and the England goalkeeper is targeting a return before the end of the month (@BenDinnery).

[danzku]

Some positive thoughts on Pickford:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... gster.html

Makes me feel more safe as an Pickford / Jakupovic owner

[yttod1010]

I think we have one more week ....then I suspect Butland will return as long as now injury ....Pickford is an interesting one suspect he has the jersey for now but anymore defeats mistakes and you have to suspect Mannone returns


I was all set to sell Sanchez to free up funds for alonso and heaton ...but the price rises and drops have killed me ....no chance making early transfers this GW the internationals are going to bust a lot of teams thru injury

[zerinot]

as a Jaku/pickford owner i'm considering just going Jaku-->Mannone. He's only 4.3 and having 1st and 2nd choice from Sunderland is very likely to last until 2nd wildcard without futher transfers.
It saves 0.5 over someone like Heaton and if Pickford is dropped and i go with someone else, i'd be 1 injury/suspension away from wasting another transfer on my keepers.

[raym]

as a Jaku/pickford owner i'm considering just going Jaku-->Mannone. He's only 4.3 and having 1st and 2nd choice from Sunderland is very likely to last until 2nd wildcard without futher transfers.
It saves 0.5 over someone like Heaton and if Pickford is dropped and i go with someone else, i'd be 1 injury/suspension away from wasting another transfer on my keepers.

I would say that's not a great choice. GK is a position where looking at fixtures and working out a good rotation is key, particularly if you are going with the budget keepers. Being stuck with the Sunderland keeper (whoever it is) week in, week out is not optimal. Even with pickford making a ton of saves, the sunderland keepers have averaged only 2.7 points per game this season. That's low, even for goalkeepers, where you should really be aiming for 4ppg+ average. If that means you need to make two transfers, so be it - get two nailed-on keepers with a good rotation and you should be able to leave it for a good while (injuries, rotation etc being relatively less likely with keepers if you choose carefully), and easily make up for the cost of the extra transfer.

To illustrate, I've been rotating bargain basement keepers (all 4.0 or 4.5, maximum 8.5 in total at any one time) all season and have 47 keeper points from 11 gameweeks (4.3ppg). And that's without having had Heaton at all. That compares to 30 keeper points from the sunderland keepers in the same period. 17 points difference.

PS: Not to mention the fact that if Pickford retains his starting spot (not impossible), you'd have wasted a transfer on mannone for absolutely nothing.

[zerinot]

Well the transfer would only be wasted if Pickford retains his spot, and plays every single game up until i use my 2nd wildcard around the double gameweeks.
I've only played the game for 2 years, and while it's nice you've managed 47 points from keepers so far i disagree with your opinion on rotation being that much superior with keeper points often being very unpredictable (just guessing here, but Heaton must have been near the bottom for CS odds vs United).
I'm sure there has been some research on how much is gained from rotating keepers already though from other seasons, so will try and find it to help me make a decision.

[raym]

Well the transfer would only be wasted if Pickford retains his spot, and plays every single game up until i use my 2nd wildcard around the double gameweeks.
I've only played the game for 2 years, and while it's nice you've managed 47 points from keepers so far i disagree with your opinion on rotation being that much superior with keeper points often being very unpredictable (just guessing here, but Heaton must have been near the bottom for CS odds vs United).
I'm sure there has been some research on how much is gained from rotating keepers already though from other seasons, so will try and find it to help me make a decision.

What are you going for then? Worth noting that the Daily Star are reporting the Moyes is sticking with Pickford, although how reliable that is I have no idea. I'm a Grant/Pickford owner, and considering Grant to one of Heaton, Boruc, Valdes or Foster.

[zerinot]

Well the transfer would only be wasted if Pickford retains his spot, and plays every single game up until i use my 2nd wildcard around the double gameweeks.
I've only played the game for 2 years, and while it's nice you've managed 47 points from keepers so far i disagree with your opinion on rotation being that much superior with keeper points often being very unpredictable (just guessing here, but Heaton must have been near the bottom for CS odds vs United).
I'm sure there has been some research on how much is gained from rotating keepers already though from other seasons, so will try and find it to help me make a decision.

What are you going for then? Worth noting that the Daily Star are reporting the Moyes is sticking with Pickford, although how reliable that is I have no idea. I'm a Grant/Pickford owner, and considering Grant to one of Heaton, Boruc, Valdes or Foster.

I might just risk it and try to wait to do it with a FT, i'd have to replace a defender aswell for total -8 to really be certain to field 11 this week.
I feel pretty happy with my front 7, so could see myself sticking to those (maybe upgrade Lukaku to Kane/costa)if they avoid injuries, and finally fix my the Jaku issue.

[zerinot]

Sounds pretty certain Pickford will start this week based on Moyes comments, so i will wait with picking my replacement and hopefully get it done with a Free transfer.
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/foo ... -1-8247327

“For me, it is not a decision.
“Jordan has got the jersey at the moment and his form has been so good that I can’t see past him at the moment; simple as that.
“He now has Vito back and more competition, but I think the points Jordan has saved us far outweigh the points he may have lost us.
“As a young player, it is not always easy. “He won’t always be on top form, but Sunderland should be proud they have another player towards the England squad.

[Stemania]

Sweet. Now for him to actually get some points...

[Notned]

Sweet. Now for him to actually get some points...

Here's hoping! I'm doubling up on Sunderland at the back this week

[Weisenwolf]

unless you have Pickford and Jaku is there a keeper crisis at all?

[yttod1010]

Looks like the crisis maybe avoid for a bit longer

[Paulista]

Pickford is Sunderland's #1 now, and Butland has had yet another injury set back, so Grant continues to look secure.

http://www.stokecityfc.com/news/article ... 49518.aspx[/url]

[yttod1010]

Pickford is Sunderland's #1 now, and Butland has had yet another injury set back, so Grant continues to look secure.

http://www.stokecityfc.com/news/article ... 49518.aspx[/url]

I know great innit

[math!]

Any news on Heaton? I've had no goalkeeper the last two game weeks.

[redchemist]

Grant has been a gem.
Although his upcoming fixtures make me want to choose a new primary.

[math!]

His upcoming fixtures are nasty. The kneejerkers can have him. I just hope Heaton is 100% for next GW.

[Weisenwolf]

I have Pickford & Grant; happy for now

[Football Hero]

Any news on Heaton? I've had no goalkeeper the last two game weeks.

This certainly adds credence to the 'rotating pair of keepers' strategy.

[Paulista]

I have Pickford & Grant; happy for now

Me too, they rotate fine except for Boxing Day.

[math!]

Any news on Heaton? I've had no goalkeeper the last two game weeks.

This certainly adds credence to the 'rotating pair of keepers' strategy.

It's frustrating how Jakupovic was replaced despite playing well only for Marshall to ship goals as though it's a hobby. I've also been using 1-2 transfers per week elsewhere so I had to depend on Heaton. Not an ideal season but manageable.