Fletcher and his price drop

[Joccki_10]

Before the season started, the only thing discussed when talking about budget midfielders was their possible game time. Your budget midfielder needed to play so you could possibly get his 2 or 3 points from the bench. At the moment Marten de Roon is considered as a budget midfielder, because he's back from an injury and is a very likely starter for Middlesbrough, nothing more, nothing less.

But I guess we are straying too much off topic (am I saying that correctly?).

[gazwood]

How did Fletcher drop in price??? I just changed Höjberg to him yesterday because I thought he was safer pick as 5th mid. eff load of bollocks.

He dropped in price because he's done b*gger all so far. A correct price drop if ever there was one.

You'll just have to keep him now until he rises back up to 4.5.

He's got 3 clean sheets and +60min in every game which is okay for 5th midfielder. That's why I got him and will definitely keep him now.

Price changes are more aggressive this season, aren't they?

I count 13 points from 5 matches so far. That is an average of 2.6 points per match which is awful. The price drop was justified.

Actually, I think 2.6 is above average for your bench warming midfielder

Myself and the general population do not agree, we want more than that from one of our squad members.

It does appear that the general population (at least those on here that have expressed their views - but feel free to find me an exception) do not share your thoughts

[gazwood]

Also the fact that no one would choose Fletcher as a rotating mid. He was the typical bench fodder that was expected to stay there and get the apperence and cs point. Norhing more, nothing less.

He has done exactly that, but it's normal that he has dropped considering he was the most owned bench fodder at the beggining of the season and Capoue being the same price.

Yep, but not so sure why he deserves the drop as he has performed to expectations.....

Read my posts and it will explain why he's dropped in price despite performing to expectations.

Not really. You stated he's done b**ger all. When in fact he's done more than expected (averaging more than 2 points per game). Not saying his price drop isn't warranted, but just that your argument for why its occurred is flawed.

[Geri]

Also the fact that no one would choose Fletcher as a rotating mid. He was the typical bench fodder that was expected to stay there and get the apperence and cs point. Norhing more, nothing less.

He has done exactly that, but it's normal that he has dropped considering he was the most owned bench fodder at the beggining of the season and Capoue being the same price.

Yep, but not so sure why he deserves the drop as he has performed to expectations.....

Well not everybody sticks to their plan about not moving the bench fodder for a long time. Many changed to Capoue just for the sake of having the best 4.5 or by chasing last week points. Many might have changed formations to 3-5-2 because it would be cheaper to have Capoue 4.5 and Diamomde 4.5 than for example Gray 6.5 and Fletcher 4.5. Also the TV would be more than an enough reason even for me to make the Fletcher-Capoue (0.6 difference now) change.

[Carlb5253]

Also the fact that no one would choose Fletcher as a rotating mid. He was the typical bench fodder that was expected to stay there and get the apperence and cs point. Norhing more, nothing less.

He has done exactly that, but it's normal that he has dropped considering he was the most owned bench fodder at the beggining of the season and Capoue being the same price.

Yep, but not so sure why he deserves the drop as he has performed to expectations.....

Read my posts and it will explain why he's dropped in price despite performing to expectations.

Well it would appear the 'general population' in fact do not agree with you.

[Football Hero]

Also the fact that no one would choose Fletcher as a rotating mid. He was the typical bench fodder that was expected to stay there and get the apperence and cs point. Norhing more, nothing less.

He has done exactly that, but it's normal that he has dropped considering he was the most owned bench fodder at the beggining of the season and Capoue being the same price.

Yep, but not so sure why he deserves the drop as he has performed to expectations.....

Read my posts and it will explain why he's dropped in price despite performing to expectations.

Well it would appear the 'general population' in fact do not agree with you.

Except they do agree with me because they've been selling Fletcher like hot cakes, hence why he's dropped in price...

[Football Hero]

Also the fact that no one would choose Fletcher as a rotating mid. He was the typical bench fodder that was expected to stay there and get the apperence and cs point. Norhing more, nothing less.

He has done exactly that, but it's normal that he has dropped considering he was the most owned bench fodder at the beggining of the season and Capoue being the same price.

Yep, but not so sure why he deserves the drop as he has performed to expectations.....

Read my posts and it will explain why he's dropped in price despite performing to expectations.

Not really. You stated he's done b**ger all. When in fact he's done more than expected (averaging more than 2 points per game). Not saying his price drop isn't warranted, but just that your argument for why its occurred is flawed.

B*gger all = no decent points of note.

I consider getting 3 points as not a particularly good score. And that's Fletcher in a 'good' week, bringing home 3 points. Most of the time he will just get you 2 points as West Brom keep clean sheets in less than half their matches.

[Stemania]

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+1. This is bloody annoying and always has been.

Do a bit of editing, people. Don't be so lazy.

[Aldershot Rejects]

I considered Fletcher before the season as my 5th midfielder and 3rd bench. I would hope in those circumstances never to play him. The reason for picking him (a) he is £4.5m; (b) he is likely to play; (c) there is a decent chance WBA keep a clean sheet and you get 3 points. His career record suggests he will score between 2 and 3 ppg. He was the safe, reliable option - a kind of holding player you pick until someone at that price range emerges from the pack.

Surprise, surprise, he has done exactly what was expected of him.

So why are people getting rid? Well not because he is doing badly, but because Capoue emerged from the pack at virtually the same price. Capoue's transfers in dwarf Fletcher's transfers out but you can be pretty sure many have gone from Fletcher to Capoue.

I've transferred Ibra out this week not because he is doing badly but because I think others will do relatively better.

[gazwood]

Also the fact that no one would choose Fletcher as a rotating mid. He was the typical bench fodder that was expected to stay there and get the apperence and cs point. Norhing more, nothing less.

He has done exactly that, but it's normal that he has dropped considering he was the most owned bench fodder at the beggining of the season and Capoue being the same price.

Yep, but not so sure why he deserves the drop as he has performed to expectations.....

Read my posts and it will explain why he's dropped in price despite performing to expectations.

Not really. You stated he's done b**ger all. When in fact he's done more than expected (averaging more than 2 points per game). Not saying his price drop isn't warranted, but just that your argument for why its occurred is flawed.

B*gger all = no decent points of note.

I consider getting 3 points as not a particularly good score. And that's Fletcher in a 'good' week, bringing home 3 points. Most of the time he will just get you 2 points as West Brom keep clean sheets in less than half their matches.

As someone else has already stated - what else do you expect (or care) from someone who'll just sit in your bench every week. For me if he continues to get 2.6 per week for the season then he'll have picked up 99 points by May. Not too shabby.

[Weisenwolf]

Well he's a good buy now; £4.4M for a bench warmer who plays every game.

[trampie]

I'm on a wildcard and sold Fletcher at 4.5 for Whelan at 4.4 to get some big boys in, now that Fletcher has dropped to 4.4 he is back in my team like he has been since the start of the season.

[Weisenwolf]

I'm on a wildcard and sold Fletcher at 4.5 for Whelan at 4.4 to get some big boys in, now that Fletcher has dropped to 4.4 he is back in my team like he has been since the start of the season.

Bargain

[JoonaR16]

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+1. This is bloody annoying and always has been.

Do a bit of editing, people. Don't be so lazy.

I usually do that when I'm on computer but with phone I can't be arsed. Would be cool if the forum did it automatically after couple of quotes.

[MoSe]

I'm on a wildcard and sold Fletcher at 4.5 for Whelan at 4.4 to get some big boys in, now that Fletcher has dropped to 4.4 he is back in my team like he has been since the start of the season.

Bargain

So, as I always point out, you've made money on a drop rather than on a rise:
you have now the same player, and +0.1m itb than before

From the Statistics tab in the FPL site
https://fantasy.premierleague.com/a/sta ... nutes/et_3
Filtered by MID, Sorted by Minutes Played

• (this doesn't show for instance whether Coquelin with 360' has played 72' per game, or 4 full games and missed one, which is the case,
  and which one he missed, first or last would make big difference. He actually missed 3rd.
  Such details you have to check in the individual player details)

then copied into excel and sorted by cheapest price first

• (and easily arranged with tr/td BBCodes thanks to my Excel Powers
  sorry, only later realised that the % ownership format was dropped when chaining text,
  can of course correct it with a formula but didn't feel like going back redoing it, however easy
  Fletcher 0.104 means of course 10.4%)

Player	Team	Cost	Sel.	Form	Pts	MP
Fletcher	West Brom	4.4	0.104	2.7	13	431
Whelan	Stoke	4.4	0.008	1.7	10	426
Coquelin	Arsenal	4.4	0.021	1.3	7	360
Clayton	Middlesbrough	4.4	0.004	1.7	8	333
Højbjerg	Southampton	4.4	0.021	1	6	270
de Roon	Middlesbrough	4.4	0.002	1	4	145
Lucas	Liverpool	4.4	0.002	0.7	2	99
Cattermole	Sunderland	4.4	0.001	0.3	1	90
Cook	Bournemouth	4.4	0.004	0	2	80
Britton	Swansea	4.4	0.001	0	1	59
Mendy	Leicester	4.4	0.005	0	0	52
Leko	West Brom	4.4	0.004	0.7	3	43
Watson	Watford	4.4	0.009	0	-2	12
Mutch	Crystal Palace	4.4	0.001	0	1	9
Onomah	Spurs	4.4	0.001	0.3	2	9
Obiang	West Ham	4.4	0.003	0	0	2
Carroll	Spurs	4.4	0.002	0	1	1
Yacob	West Brom	4.5	0.002	1.7	10	441
Meyler	Hull	4.5	0.002	1.7	10	432
Marney	Burnley	4.5	0.006	3.3	15	431
Behrami	Watford	4.5	0.003	1.7	8	423
Forshaw	Middlesbrough	4.5	0.001	2.3	10	422
Oriol Romeu	Southampton	4.5	0.003	3.3	13	371
Rodwell	Sunderland	4.5	0.018	1	11	360
Amartey	Leicester	4.5	0.001	2	7	293
Gooch	Sunderland	4.5	0.001	1.3	6	286
Ledley	Crystal Palace	4.5	0.005	1.7	6	205
Guédioura	Watford	4.5	0.001	0.3	7	204
Lee Chung-yong	Crystal Palace	4.5	0.003	1	9	191
Field	West Brom	4.5	0	1.3	4	165
Kirchhoff	Sunderland	4.5	0.001	1.3	4	153
Maloney	Hull	4.5	0.018	0.7	13	69
O'Neill	Burnley	4.5	0	0.3	2	35
Flamini	Crystal Palace	4.5	0	1	2	20
Davies	Everton	4.5	0	0.7	2	18
Asoro	Sunderland	4.5	0	0	1	10
Winks	Spurs	4.5	0	0.3	1	1
Barry	Everton	4.6	0.065	3.7	23	444
Grujic	Liverpool	4.7	0.004	0	1	13
Schneiderlin	Man Utd	4.7	0.002	0	1	6
Allen	Stoke	4.8	0.011	2	8	373
Clasie	Southampton	4.8	0.001	1	5	196
King	Leicester	4.8	0.003	0.3	4	117
Elneny	Arsenal	4.8	0.006	1.7	7	101
Gosling	Bournemouth	4.8	0.001	1	4	77
Fernando	Man City	4.8	0.002	0.7	2	41
Delph	Man City	4.8	0.001	0	2	30
Can	Liverpool	4.8	0.008	0	1	21
Morrison	West Brom	4.8	0.001	0.3	2	21
Adam	Stoke	4.8	0.001	0	0	20
Doucouré	Watford	4.8	0	0	1	7
Dyer	Swansea	4.8	0.001	0	1	6
Surman	Bournemouth	4.9	0.002	2.3	11	450
Kanté	Chelsea	4.9	0.174	2.3	10	450
Elmohamady	Hull	4.9	0.004	2	11	450
Clucas	Hull	4.9	0.001	2	10	442
Cork	Swansea	4.9	0.001	2	11	436
Imbula	Stoke	4.9	0.003	1.3	9	308
McArthur	Crystal Palace	4.9	0	4	12	245
Nordtveit	West Ham	4.9	0.001	0.7	7	235
Routledge	Swansea	4.9	0.003	0.3	5	198
McCarthy	Everton	4.9	0.002	0	3	127
Gray	Leicester	4.9	0.007	0.3	6	73
Mason	Hull	4.9	0.001	0.7	2	51
Gueye	Everton	5	0.005	3.7	15	450
Arter	Bournemouth	5	0.002	3.3	11	436
Capoue	Watford	5	0.341	8.3	44	434
Huddlestone	Hull	5	0.003	2.3	12	417
Matic	Chelsea	5	0.026	4.3	16	415
Wanyama	Spurs	5	0.048	1.7	18	414
Livermore	Hull	5	0.001	0.7	7	399
Amrabat	Watford	5	0.001	0.7	9	296
Watmore	Sunderland	5	0.001	1	10	270
McClean	West Brom	5	0.002	3.3	15	200
Pienaar	Sunderland	5	0	1.3	5	182
Fraser	Bournemouth	5	0	1	5	172
Ndong	Sunderland	5	0	1	2	108
García	Man City	5	0	0.5	1	16
Traoré	Middlesbrough	5	0	0.5	1	10

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[Football Hero]

Also the fact that no one would choose Fletcher as a rotating mid. He was the typical bench fodder that was expected to stay there and get the apperence and cs point. Norhing more, nothing less.

He has done exactly that, but it's normal that he has dropped considering he was the most owned bench fodder at the beggining of the season and Capoue being the same price.

Yep, but not so sure why he deserves the drop as he has performed to expectations.....

Read my posts and it will explain why he's dropped in price despite performing to expectations.

Not really. You stated he's done b**ger all. When in fact he's done more than expected (averaging more than 2 points per game). Not saying his price drop isn't warranted, but just that your argument for why its occurred is flawed.

B*gger all = no decent points of note.

I consider getting 3 points as not a particularly good score. And that's Fletcher in a 'good' week, bringing home 3 points. Most of the time he will just get you 2 points as West Brom keep clean sheets in less than half their matches.

As someone else has already stated - what else do you expect (or care) from someone who'll just sit in your bench every week. For me if he continues to get 2.6 per week for the season then he'll have picked up 99 points by May. Not too shabby.

As I've already mentioned a few times, the 5th midfielder does not always stay on the bench, whether through luck or design.

Therefore myself and a lot of other players prefer more points potential from our squad members.

[Weisenwolf]

MoSe,

Nice bit of work; congrats

I'm not going to quote that lot but it appears that Fletcher is the best value £4.4M mid in the game so he's a good pick to maximise money on the pitch. In fact the only two £4.5M players that performed better are Marney & Oriol Rom and it's pretty marginal (Oriol has the same points but has played 60 minutes less, Marney has 2 more points from exactly the same number of minutes, without the assist at Hull he'd be worse)

In fact below £5M the only others who have done better are Barry at £4.6M and McArthur at £4.9M.

For a bench warmer, particulalry if he's 2nd or 3rd bench warmer, he's a great pick.

[Weisenwolf]

As I've already mentioned a few times, the 5th midfielder does not always stay on the bench, whether through luck or design.

Therefore myself and a lot of other players prefer more points potential from our squad members.

If you only have £4.4M available for a 4th mid who is better value.

[blahblah]

Exactly: a guaranteed 2 or 4 points or someone lucky to get 2 mins to kill some time? It's hardly rocket science?

[gazwood]

Also the fact that no one would choose Fletcher as a rotating mid. He was the typical bench fodder that was expected to stay there and get the apperence and cs point. Norhing more, nothing less.

He has done exactly that, but it's normal that he has dropped considering he was the most owned bench fodder at the beggining of the season and Capoue being the same price.

Yep, but not so sure why he deserves the drop as he has performed to expectations.....

Read my posts and it will explain why he's dropped in price despite performing to expectations.

Not really. You stated he's done b**ger all. When in fact he's done more than expected (averaging more than 2 points per game). Not saying his price drop isn't warranted, but just that your argument for why its occurred is flawed.

B*gger all = no decent points of note.

I consider getting 3 points as not a particularly good score. And that's Fletcher in a 'good' week, bringing home 3 points. Most of the time he will just get you 2 points as West Brom keep clean sheets in less than half their matches.

As someone else has already stated - what else do you expect (or care) from someone who'll just sit in your bench every week. For me if he continues to get 2.6 per week for the season then he'll have picked up 99 points by May. Not too shabby.

As I've already mentioned a few times, the 5th midfielder does not always stay on the bench, whether through luck or design.

Therefore myself and a lot of other players prefer more points potential from our squad members.

You're missing the point a bit. You're more likely to get a better points return on a 9.0 midfielder and having your 4.5 warm the bench (coming on on the small occasions you require him) than you are having an 8.5 starter and a 5.0 mid on the bench (which would give you more points going to waste that you'll never see as your preferred 11, if selected accordingly, should mostly be playing).

[Weisenwolf]

Exactly: a guaranteed 2 or 4 points or someone lucky to get 2 mins to kill some time? It's hardly rocket science?

Quite

And as Gazwood says, I want my money on the pitch

Also pretty much every week several far more expensive players score less than Fletcher anyway

[Football Hero]

Also the fact that no one would choose Fletcher as a rotating mid. He was the typical bench fodder that was expected to stay there and get the apperence and cs point. Norhing more, nothing less.

He has done exactly that, but it's normal that he has dropped considering he was the most owned bench fodder at the beggining of the season and Capoue being the same price.

Yep, but not so sure why he deserves the drop as he has performed to expectations.....

Read my posts and it will explain why he's dropped in price despite performing to expectations.

Not really. You stated he's done b**ger all. When in fact he's done more than expected (averaging more than 2 points per game). Not saying his price drop isn't warranted, but just that your argument for why its occurred is flawed.

B*gger all = no decent points of note.

I consider getting 3 points as not a particularly good score. And that's Fletcher in a 'good' week, bringing home 3 points. Most of the time he will just get you 2 points as West Brom keep clean sheets in less than half their matches.

As someone else has already stated - what else do you expect (or care) from someone who'll just sit in your bench every week. For me if he continues to get 2.6 per week for the season then he'll have picked up 99 points by May. Not too shabby.

As I've already mentioned a few times, the 5th midfielder does not always stay on the bench, whether through luck or design.

Therefore myself and a lot of other players prefer more points potential from our squad members.

You're missing the point a bit. You're more likely to get a better points return on a 9.0 midfielder and having your 4.5 warm the bench (coming on on the small occasions you require him) than you are having an 8.5 starter and a 5.0 mid on the bench (which would give you more points going to waste that you'll never see as your preferred 11, if selected accordingly, should mostly be playing).

Not really though, as a 5.0 or 5.5 midfielder that does a bit of attacking or is on spot kicks etc., is far handier to have over a 4.5 that just gets you 2 or occasionally 3 points. At the same time there might not be a huge difference between an 8.5 and 9.0 midfielder.

Someone like Snodgrass, Fer or Capoue could easily outscore a duffer like Fletcher by 40+ points over the season, whereas a 9.0 midfielder likely won't outscore an 8.5 midfielder by 40+ points.

The market seems to agree with me.

[Football Hero]

Exactly: a guaranteed 2 or 4 points or someone lucky to get 2 mins to kill some time? It's hardly rocket science?

Quite

And as Gazwood says, I want my money on the pitch

Also pretty much every week several far more expensive players score less than Fletcher anyway

Yeah, and by getting a 5.0 midfielder in, you put that money on the pitch some of the time too, and in better fixtures as well.

[Weisenwolf]

None of my subs have played yet...

[Football Hero]

None of my subs have played yet...

You've been lucky so far then.

Also some people have substitute defenders that are not 4.0 too, and when they do that, that is also 'leaving money on the bench'. However I don't see people telling them to downgrade their 4.5 substitute defender to Amat, Kinglsey or some 4.0 guy that doesn't play.

By the same rationale it is ok to have a midfielder or striker that is on the bench that costs more than 4.5 too.

[gazwood]

*sigh*

[Football Hero]

*sigh*

Are you ok?

[Geri]

We have driven too far away from the subject. What was it in the first place? Fletcher's drop? I think most of us would agree that it was undeserved as he had done exactly what was expected of him, but also not that surprising considering Capoue (same price) has exeeded every expectation. I would have been wary of every 4.5-5.0mod as most would jump on Capoue for reasons like : TV, not missing out on another Mahrez (not saying that he is but what the masses might think), or simply for having the best cheapie.

What is the subject now? Should we have a Fletcher type of a bench fodder or a Fer, Snodgrass, Capoue rotating double? This is a decent question but this is not the right place to have it because no decent manager would have picked Fletcher as one of the rotating mids. You can't expect more than 3 points on his best fixture.

[Weisenwolf]

*sigh*

I get you mate; he never will