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Fish newbie
Hi there Im a fiso newbie and Im hoping now that I've found this site it will help me improve my fpl game in the 16/17 season. 15/16 was my second season of doing it and I finished 111k so with the help of fiso I'm hoping to finish in the top 20k next season if anyone's has any tips or advice it would be greatly appreciated
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Re: Fish newbie
Welcome to FISO.
Keep an eye on the forum from early August, you will get loads of food for thought
Keep an eye on the forum from early August, you will get loads of food for thought
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Re: Fish newbie
Thanks
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Not much is being offered so I'll see if I can help a bit.
The first thing is, don't copy others. FPL is all about decision-making and you have to know why you are doing things rather than just following the herd. That means understanding how the game works properly.
It's easy to think that it's all about selecting the "right" players but it isn't really because the "right" players are always uncertain until after the event. It is true that you can have a player that is more likely to score well over a 4-6 week period than another (some will refer to this as "expected points" [eP] or "expected value" [eV]) but the differences are often quite marginal and can easily be overthrown by luck or changes of circumstance. It is also true that luck or skill (or a combination, which it usually is) in selecting players can make your underlying decision-making look good or bad. Good managers can have bad runs, even bad seasons. Less good managers can have good or lucky runs, even good seasons, even outstanding seasons sometimes. Better to concentrate on the quality of your underlying decision-making rather than worrying too much about the froth of whether your team did well last week or not.
For this reason, if I were constructing a learning route for a FPL manager it would be about the basic building blocks of FPL management in order to ensure that you understand the game really well, it is more complex than it appears. If you concentrate on those building blocks then as you understand them better you will make better decisions and that will (in the end) reflect in how well your team does. In order to help with this, here are some questions. The more sure of your answers to them you are then the better your grasp of the building blocks will be (although doubtless there will be some elements missed, this will only be a 'starter' list to which perhaps some others will add).
1. What are the available ways to structure a 15-man squad? What are the benefits and drawbacks of different structures? How do you ensure that you are getting the maximum return from your £100m budget?
Note: With a 15-man squad you are forced to use around £17.5m minimum on substitutes. What quality of substitutes you have, whether you spend the minimum or invest more and whether you use them in rotation with other players or just use them as "bench fodder" to use that ugly phrase is one of the most important strategic elements in FPL. There isn't a right answer, what will work best won't necessarily be the same at all times, it will depend on whether high-cost players are out-performing the others or not. The more premium-priced players are performing well the more important squad structure becomes.
2. What is the ideal team formation and why?
Note: 3-4-3 is the default formation for many of the better managers in FPL, with an occasional excursion into 3-5-2. But other systems have not been equivalently tested. Under certain circumstances 4-4-2 could be equally valid. You need to understand the whys and wherefores here.
3. What is the importance of bonus points (BPs) in FPL? How do they work? Which (types of) players are most likely to get them?
Note: They are far more significant than a new manager will realise.
4. How can you measure player value? It is not difficult to find a £10m player who will score more FPL points than a £8m player. But we can't have 15x£10m players, we can't even have 11 of them. Value for budget is therefore an issue, it's not just about having all the players you think will score the most points. So how do you relate the performance of an £8m player with a £10m player on value? How many more points per week does the £10m player need to score to justify the investment?
5. What are the benefits and drawbacks of taking hits (extra transfers costing -4)? When are they justified and why?
Note: This factors into developing an overall strategy about transfers in general, to include the use of FTs.
6. Which are the best-performing GKs in FPL? What (types of) team do they play for? What is the importance of save points (SPs) when selecting a GK? How do a GK's potential SPs and BPs factor in against their potential for clean sheets when selecting them?
Note: Deciding about the kind of GKs you want will be an important component in structuring a squad. But you need to understand the pros and cons. There is no 'right' answer that remains the same under all circumstances.
7. What is the relative importance of potential clean sheet points (CS), attacking points (goals/assists) and BPs for a defender? Which should you prioritise when selecting defenders and by how much?
8. How important is it to look at stats when assessing players? Which are the important stats (the best indicators)? How important is the "eye" test (from watching games)? When watching games, what are you looking for when assessing FPL options? Is there any other information that needs taking into account?
Note: The elements of player selection are quite diverse. You need to figure out how you will do it and how much weight you will give to stats, eye impressions, manager comments (press conferences), player comments and other factors like motivation and mood.
9. How important is captaincy in FPL? What do people mean when they say a player is "explosive"? Is it better to have an 'explosive' captain who also blanks quite often or a safe captain who blanks less often but is less likely to get a big haul of points in one game? In this respect are defenders, midfielders or strikers generally better captaincy choices and why?
Note: This is another one that is more important than most managers new to FPL will realise. There are a variety of ways to go about selecting them - some very good managers even go so far as to always captain the player at the top of the FFS poll and take their own decision-making out of it.
10. How important is player ownership in FPL player selection and captain selection?
Nowadays we know the percentage of teams in the top 1k, the top 10k and in general that include any particular player. Understanding the implications of owning (or not owning) and captaining (or not captaining) a highly owned player is important in developing your game strategy.
Well, that's just a starter really, the list is very long. As you work on and consider questions like these you will start to develop a strategy of your own. This is very important actually. There are different ways to approach FPL and the strategy you use has to sit well with your personality type and nature. For me, as an example, I know how to play FPL in a conservative way, always making the percentage decisions, and can more or less guarantee a decent (top 10k) finishing position for my team if I do (unless I get a very unlucky run). But it would also bore me to tears to play that way. So I have had to develop a strategy that is a bit more radical and risk-taking (and am still working on it). I want to beat the conservative approach, not replicate it. But that's me. You need to develop a strategy and style of play that suits you.
In the end it depends on how well you want to play FPL. But on FISO you will encounter quite a few managers who find FPL to be a fascinating diversion and analyse/study it more deeply than most normal human beings would imagine to be possible.
The first thing is, don't copy others. FPL is all about decision-making and you have to know why you are doing things rather than just following the herd. That means understanding how the game works properly.
It's easy to think that it's all about selecting the "right" players but it isn't really because the "right" players are always uncertain until after the event. It is true that you can have a player that is more likely to score well over a 4-6 week period than another (some will refer to this as "expected points" [eP] or "expected value" [eV]) but the differences are often quite marginal and can easily be overthrown by luck or changes of circumstance. It is also true that luck or skill (or a combination, which it usually is) in selecting players can make your underlying decision-making look good or bad. Good managers can have bad runs, even bad seasons. Less good managers can have good or lucky runs, even good seasons, even outstanding seasons sometimes. Better to concentrate on the quality of your underlying decision-making rather than worrying too much about the froth of whether your team did well last week or not.
For this reason, if I were constructing a learning route for a FPL manager it would be about the basic building blocks of FPL management in order to ensure that you understand the game really well, it is more complex than it appears. If you concentrate on those building blocks then as you understand them better you will make better decisions and that will (in the end) reflect in how well your team does. In order to help with this, here are some questions. The more sure of your answers to them you are then the better your grasp of the building blocks will be (although doubtless there will be some elements missed, this will only be a 'starter' list to which perhaps some others will add).
1. What are the available ways to structure a 15-man squad? What are the benefits and drawbacks of different structures? How do you ensure that you are getting the maximum return from your £100m budget?
Note: With a 15-man squad you are forced to use around £17.5m minimum on substitutes. What quality of substitutes you have, whether you spend the minimum or invest more and whether you use them in rotation with other players or just use them as "bench fodder" to use that ugly phrase is one of the most important strategic elements in FPL. There isn't a right answer, what will work best won't necessarily be the same at all times, it will depend on whether high-cost players are out-performing the others or not. The more premium-priced players are performing well the more important squad structure becomes.
2. What is the ideal team formation and why?
Note: 3-4-3 is the default formation for many of the better managers in FPL, with an occasional excursion into 3-5-2. But other systems have not been equivalently tested. Under certain circumstances 4-4-2 could be equally valid. You need to understand the whys and wherefores here.
3. What is the importance of bonus points (BPs) in FPL? How do they work? Which (types of) players are most likely to get them?
Note: They are far more significant than a new manager will realise.
4. How can you measure player value? It is not difficult to find a £10m player who will score more FPL points than a £8m player. But we can't have 15x£10m players, we can't even have 11 of them. Value for budget is therefore an issue, it's not just about having all the players you think will score the most points. So how do you relate the performance of an £8m player with a £10m player on value? How many more points per week does the £10m player need to score to justify the investment?
5. What are the benefits and drawbacks of taking hits (extra transfers costing -4)? When are they justified and why?
Note: This factors into developing an overall strategy about transfers in general, to include the use of FTs.
6. Which are the best-performing GKs in FPL? What (types of) team do they play for? What is the importance of save points (SPs) when selecting a GK? How do a GK's potential SPs and BPs factor in against their potential for clean sheets when selecting them?
Note: Deciding about the kind of GKs you want will be an important component in structuring a squad. But you need to understand the pros and cons. There is no 'right' answer that remains the same under all circumstances.
7. What is the relative importance of potential clean sheet points (CS), attacking points (goals/assists) and BPs for a defender? Which should you prioritise when selecting defenders and by how much?
8. How important is it to look at stats when assessing players? Which are the important stats (the best indicators)? How important is the "eye" test (from watching games)? When watching games, what are you looking for when assessing FPL options? Is there any other information that needs taking into account?
Note: The elements of player selection are quite diverse. You need to figure out how you will do it and how much weight you will give to stats, eye impressions, manager comments (press conferences), player comments and other factors like motivation and mood.
9. How important is captaincy in FPL? What do people mean when they say a player is "explosive"? Is it better to have an 'explosive' captain who also blanks quite often or a safe captain who blanks less often but is less likely to get a big haul of points in one game? In this respect are defenders, midfielders or strikers generally better captaincy choices and why?
Note: This is another one that is more important than most managers new to FPL will realise. There are a variety of ways to go about selecting them - some very good managers even go so far as to always captain the player at the top of the FFS poll and take their own decision-making out of it.
10. How important is player ownership in FPL player selection and captain selection?
Nowadays we know the percentage of teams in the top 1k, the top 10k and in general that include any particular player. Understanding the implications of owning (or not owning) and captaining (or not captaining) a highly owned player is important in developing your game strategy.
Well, that's just a starter really, the list is very long. As you work on and consider questions like these you will start to develop a strategy of your own. This is very important actually. There are different ways to approach FPL and the strategy you use has to sit well with your personality type and nature. For me, as an example, I know how to play FPL in a conservative way, always making the percentage decisions, and can more or less guarantee a decent (top 10k) finishing position for my team if I do (unless I get a very unlucky run). But it would also bore me to tears to play that way. So I have had to develop a strategy that is a bit more radical and risk-taking (and am still working on it). I want to beat the conservative approach, not replicate it. But that's me. You need to develop a strategy and style of play that suits you.
In the end it depends on how well you want to play FPL. But on FISO you will encounter quite a few managers who find FPL to be a fascinating diversion and analyse/study it more deeply than most normal human beings would imagine to be possible.
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Re: Fish newbie
I'd go for a cod initially as a simple but typical example and then try more exotic fish as I got used to the concept.
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Re: Fish newbie
welcome to FISO, this is a great community. You will most defintetly do better next season
Last year was my first season of playing FPL I finished 220k(had no idea what I was doing the first couple of months). This year I finished 35k. I'm striving for 10k next year
Last year was my first season of playing FPL I finished 220k(had no idea what I was doing the first couple of months). This year I finished 35k. I'm striving for 10k next year
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Re: Fish newbie
Thanks ruth that's a good in depth reply to get my teeth into I'm looking forward to my next season already I've set my targets and hopefully with the help of fiso I will get them
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Haha damn auto correct lolmurf wrote:I'd go for a cod initially as a simple but typical example and then try more exotic fish as I got used to the concept.
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Re: Fish newbie
If you edit your initial post you can change the title. You just need to click in the right plaice.
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What a carp first post
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Re: Fish newbie
You've come to a good plaice for advice.
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Re: Fish newbie
Alright Alright no need to keep carping on
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Oh, they will. This passes as excellent entertainment in the off-season.S_sutton87 wrote:Alright Alright no need to keep carping on
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By the way, if you are going to make a big improvement next season you should join a cash league. You'll be squids in.
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How do join a cash league? This squid is burning a whole in my pocketRuth_NZ wrote:Oh, they will. This passes as excellent entertainment in the off-season.S_sutton87 wrote:Alright Alright no need to keep carping on
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By the way, if you are going to make a big improvement next season you should join a cash league. You'll be squids in.
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There will doubtless be some advertised on here. If not I can point you in the right direction when the time comes.S_sutton87 wrote: How do join a cash league? This squid is burning a whole in my pocket
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Thanks I'd appreciate that
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how many cash leagues were you in Ruth? I need to join some more for next season.Ruth_NZ wrote:There will doubtless be some advertised on here. If not I can point you in the right direction when the time comes.S_sutton87 wrote: How do join a cash league? This squid is burning a whole in my pocket
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Just the one. Came 2nd and made a good profit.payetme wrote:how many cash leagues were you in Ruth? I need to join some more for next season.Ruth_NZ wrote:There will doubtless be some advertised on here. If not I can point you in the right direction when the time comes.S_sutton87 wrote: How do join a cash league? This squid is burning a whole in my pocket
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Re: Fish newbie
Ruth_NZ's main post in this thread is excellent. But it seems to me that it's probably more use to managers who are already very familiar with FPL as it's a useful check list of questions. However it is possibly of less use to newbies, who need a bit of help with answers to a few questions rather than just a rather list of questions that they should be asking.
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What cash league was it?Ruth_NZ wrote:Just the one. Came 2nd and made a good profit.payetme wrote:how many cash leagues were you in Ruth? I need to join some more for next season.Ruth_NZ wrote:There will doubtless be some advertised on here. If not I can point you in the right direction when the time comes.S_sutton87 wrote: How do join a cash league? This squid is burning a whole in my pocket
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If you don't mind me signing in the league to steal your pot
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haha I'll send you a PM, I need some new challengers to dethrone meFinisher1 wrote:What cash league was it?Ruth_NZ wrote:Just the one. Came 2nd and made a good profit.payetme wrote:how many cash leagues were you in Ruth? I need to join some more for next season.Ruth_NZ wrote:There will doubtless be some advertised on here. If not I can point you in the right direction when the time comes.S_sutton87 wrote: How do join a cash league? This squid is burning a whole in my pocket
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