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Monetary Template
I know this will have been touched on elsewhere, but without going into specific players and rotations etc, does anyone use a financial template when picking their squad? Which format provides best balance?
I'm looking at something like this, as a guide;
5, 4
6, 5.5, 4.5, 4.5, 4
12, 9, 8, 7, 4.5
12, 8, 6
Just a rough outline. Obviously there is room for flexibility, and any money saved in a position can be reinvested elsewhere (hope to shave .5 off the keepers, for example), but I feel it comes in useful.
I'm looking at something like this, as a guide;
5, 4
6, 5.5, 4.5, 4.5, 4
12, 9, 8, 7, 4.5
12, 8, 6
Just a rough outline. Obviously there is room for flexibility, and any money saved in a position can be reinvested elsewhere (hope to shave .5 off the keepers, for example), but I feel it comes in useful.
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Re: Monetary Template
4.5/4.5m Keepers Total 9m
7.0/5.0/4.5/4.5/4.0 Defenders Total 24.5m
12.0/9.0/8.0/6.5/4.5 Midfielders total 41m
12.0/8.0/6.0 Strikers 26m
Not sure if my maths have let me down here as its late and I am tired but this is my usual template.
So quite similar but this is all depending on certain players prices this year.
7.0/5.0/4.5/4.5/4.0 Defenders Total 24.5m
12.0/9.0/8.0/6.5/4.5 Midfielders total 41m
12.0/8.0/6.0 Strikers 26m
Not sure if my maths have let me down here as its late and I am tired but this is my usual template.
So quite similar but this is all depending on certain players prices this year.
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You're both being very optimistic if you think Aguero will come in at 12m this season imo (not that he's going to be a GW1 option now Argentina have reached the Copa final anyway). I can't think of another striker in the game that's likely to be over 11m. :s
Other than that, those are roughly the layouts that tend to turn out the best with possibly a little wiggle. That said, I don't think it's too helpful to have precise budgets in mind till we see the prices personally.
Other than that, those are roughly the layouts that tend to turn out the best with possibly a little wiggle. That said, I don't think it's too helpful to have precise budgets in mind till we see the prices personally.
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41m is the high side for mids imo, there would have to be a lot of bang for buck to spend that much
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I've never purposefully used a monetary template before but perhaps I should - I seem to remember Triggerlips saying something about correct templates bringing flexibility, which I am a big fan of. (especially in this weather ) I guess the reason I haven't done so before is that I feel I can't pick a couple of players who I think are great value because they don't quite fit into the template, then I end up shuffling around my squad and suddenly the template is completely shattered anyway. However it is possible that my relatively poor starts are for this reason perhaps!! (eg. I can't afford a big midfield/forward hitter who hits form early on because my template at that time is wrong??) I agree with the above though - until we see the prices there isn't a way to assign reasonable total values to def/mid/att. (which kind of implies one creates their own template based on these player prices)
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Stemania (see link, his post is towards the bottom of this page) and Triggerlips (his post is at the top of the following page) posted in the discussion on top players thread.
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I can see Costa at 11.5 or 12m.Stemania wrote:I can't think of another striker in the game that's likely to be over 11m. :s
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fixedThe_Punter1986 wrote:4.5/4.5m Keepers Total 9m
7.0/5.0/4.5/4.5/4.0 Defenders Total 24.5m -- actually 25
12.0/9.0/8.0/6.5/4.5 Midfielders total 41m -- actually 40
12.0/8.0/6.0 Strikers 26m
Not sure if my maths have let me down here as its late and I am tired but this is my usual template.
your totals gave 100.5m
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I think my ideal template would be
5.0, 4.0
7.5, 5.5, 4.5, 4.5, 4.0
12.0, 9.0, 9.0, 6.5, 4.5
12.0, 10.5, 6.5
(I may have to rob the FPL bank to achieve that)
5.0, 4.0
7.5, 5.5, 4.5, 4.5, 4.0
12.0, 9.0, 9.0, 6.5, 4.5
12.0, 10.5, 6.5
(I may have to rob the FPL bank to achieve that)
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just for comparison sake
teams at season start & end
last season winner & runnerup, and FFS HoF leaderteams at season start & end
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Main thing I notice is 32-33m on goalkeepers and defence early on, makes sense as so few clean sheets in the early games and very hard to predict where. Get all the cash forward. This is much the same as I started last season (although copying popular template).
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Agreed. That's why I like a template like this though, easy to try and judge where money can be saved and re-allocated. In the likelihood that Aguero comes in at 13m, I will be looking at the goalkeepers, second defender or fourth midfielder as the positions who's budget will be decreased.Stemania wrote:You're both being very optimistic if you think Aguero will come in at 12m this season imo (not that he's going to be a GW1 option now Argentina have reached the Copa final anyway). I can't think of another striker in the game that's likely to be over 11m. :s
Other than that, those are roughly the layouts that tend to turn out the best with possibly a little wiggle. That said, I don't think it's too helpful to have precise budgets in mind till we see the prices personally.
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It may well be a defining decision early in the season. I don't think it's going to be viable to start with him, but if circa 13m as expected then working out how to begin GW1 with enough financial flexibility to squeeze in Aguero by GW4 or so looks vital (even at this early stage when we know very little). After their tough opening where Kun will likely not be fit enough to start City suddenly from GW4 have the run:Notned wrote:Agreed. That's why I like a template like this though, easy to try and judge where money can be saved and re-allocated. In the likelihood that Aguero comes in at 13m, I will be looking at the goalkeepers, second defender or fourth midfielder as the positions who's budget will be decreased.Stemania wrote:You're both being very optimistic if you think Aguero will come in at 12m this season imo (not that he's going to be a GW1 option now Argentina have reached the Copa final anyway). I can't think of another striker in the game that's likely to be over 11m. :s
WAT, cry, WHU, tot, NEW, BOU, mun, NOR, avl
Those home games in particular would be a very scary proposition if we don't own Aguero. I'm sure they'll be plenty of early wildcards played, but it already looks like it may be a little tricky for those who decide to keep it.
I'm not so sure. I think I'd expect him to be at 11m due to his injury record, with an outside possibility of 10.5m again. Anything above that I'd be a bit surprised after a relatively meagre total of 150 points. He maxed out at 11.2m during this season and finished up at 10.6m (having started at 10.5m). To me that will probably convince fpl that they got his price about right last time round.asm_fanz wrote:I can see Costa at 11.5 or 12m.Stemania wrote:I can't think of another striker in the game that's likely to be over 11m. :s
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It may well be a defining decision early in the season. I don't think it's going to be viable to start with him, but if circa 13m as expected then working out how to begin GW1 with enough financial flexibility to squeeze in Aguero by GW4 or so looks vital (even at this early stage when we know very little). After their tough opening where Kun will likely not be fit enough to start City suddenly from GW4 have the run:
WAT, cry, WHU, tot, NEW, BOU, mun, NOR, avl
Those home games in particular would be a very scary proposition if we don't own Aguero. I'm sure they'll be plenty of early wildcards played, but it already looks like it may be a little tricky for those who decide to keep it.
I guess the logical decision is to put him in your first draft and leave him there all pre-season before switching him out for a placeholder just before the deadline. Should ensure there is money in the bank to bring him in when he's starting, without the temptation to spend the money elsewhere.
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Nice chart - thanks.MoSe wrote:just for comparison sakelast season winner & runnerup, and FFS HoF leader
teams at season start & end
You don't happen to know the lowest/highest starting range for each position last year by any chance? something like GK 3.9-7.0 etc
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Sure, I had the whole player list copied into ExcelRomynPG wrote:You don't happen to know the lowest/highest starting range for each position last year by any chance?
something like GK 3.9-7.0 etc
Consider that at season start the prices were set a 0.5m intervals, so 3.9m wouldn't have been possible, for instance
FPL 2014-15 Starting Prices
GK
6.0 Hart, Chech, Courtois
5.5 Howard Szczesny Lloris Mignolet De Gea Caballero Reina
5.0 Speroni Begovic Boruc Adrián McGregor Vorm Fabianski Lindegaard Robles Friedel Forster Jones Ospina
4.5 Mannone Guzan Krul Foster Jääskeläinen Harper Tremmel Pantilimon Gazzaniga Sørensen Hennessey Green Heaton Schmeichel
4.0 Myhill, Elliot, Gilks, Given, Hamer, Murphy (all non-playing)
DEF
7.0 Coleman Baines Ivanovic
6.5 Terry Cahill Zabaleta Kompany
6.0 Mertesacker Koscielny Skrtel Shaw Demichelis Kolarov Azpilicueta Walker Vertonghen Filipe Luis
5.5 Fonte Evra Sagna Lovren Distin Shawcross Jagielka Debuchy Johnson Gibbs Agger Jones Smalling Clichy Stones Rafael Evans Sakho Nastasic Cresswell
5.0 - 39 players
4.5 - 67 players
4.0 - 43 players
MID
11.0 Yaya Touré
10.5 Sánchez
10.0 Hazard
9.5 Gerrard Silva Ramsey Özil Mata Walcott Fábregas
...
5.0 - 50 players
4.5 - 81 players
FWD
12.5 van Persie
12.0 Agüero
11.5 Sturridge
11.0 - none
10.5 Rooney, Diego Costa
10.0 - none
9.5 - none
9.0 Lukaku, Negredo
8.5 Giroud Bony Dzeko Adebayor
8.0 Benteke Soldado Jovetic
7.5 Lambert Rodriguez Remy Podolski Torres Pellè
7.0 Welbeck Ba Carroll Osvaldo Gomis Rivière Valencia
6.5 Borini Diouf Drogba Zárate
6.0 Crouch Long Jelavic Wickham Hernández Cissé Kozák Aspas Austin Ferreyra Ideye Ings
5.5 Campbell Weimann Agbonlahor Chamakh Berahino Gayle Altidore Fletcher Murray Koné Bojan Campbell Nugent Ulloa Vokes
5.0 Naismith Cole Anichebe Bent Jerome Sagbo Graham Maiga Kane Gallagher Emnes Sanogo Scocco Akpom Ayoze Jutkiewicz Mayuka Sordell Vardy
4.5 Vaz Te Wilson Armstrong Robinson Dobbie Lawrence Proschwitz Lee Barmby Barnes Campbell Donnelly M. Karlsson Mandron McAleny Sharp Wood Zamora
this is the list at 15 Aug 2014, I hadn't updated it with later new PL signigns (nor departures)
where listed in DEF & MID, the list for that price is exhaustive
the GK and FWD lists are complete
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Thanks MoSe. We should probably expect a bit of a switch this year with the potential for a return to super-premium priced midfielders (Hazard/Sanchez) in the 11.5-12m bracket, and a slightly cheaper collection of top strikers.
It'll be interesting to see what happens to the group of 9.5m mids and the 8-8.5m strikers, it was a mixed bag in those price ranges to say the least.
It'll be interesting to see what happens to the group of 9.5m mids and the 8-8.5m strikers, it was a mixed bag in those price ranges to say the least.
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I thought you might - thanksMoSe wrote:Sure, I had the whole player list copied into ExcelRomynPG wrote:You don't happen to know the lowest/highest starting range for each position last year by any chance?
something like GK 3.9-7.0 etc
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MoSe wrote:just for comparison sakelast season winner & runnerup, and FFS HoF leader
teams at season start & end
A guide but skewed by last gw risks and obvious moves like selling Hazard
That chart proves 41m is a lot for mids, more like 38-39
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Hard to make too many plans without knowing prices etc, but just wondering whether it might be possible to squeeze in two premium forwards...
Has anyone ever tried a rotating 4/5th mid? Three to start every week, and then two not much above base price to rotate depending on fixtures? Could be a good money saving scheme to begin with, especially with the promoted teams having decent fixtures..
Has anyone ever tried a rotating 4/5th mid? Three to start every week, and then two not much above base price to rotate depending on fixtures? Could be a good money saving scheme to begin with, especially with the promoted teams having decent fixtures..
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It depends on prices as you say, but usually I'd prefer a 6.5 + 4.5 over a pair of 5.5s for the same money. Especially if the 6.5 is a Sigurdsson type player.Notned wrote:Hard to make too many plans without knowing prices etc, but just wondering whether it might be possible to squeeze in two premium forwards...
Has anyone ever tried a rotating 4/5th mid? Three to start every week, and then two not much above base price to rotate depending on fixtures? Could be a good money saving scheme to begin with, especially with the promoted teams having decent fixtures..
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Yes, good point.Mav3rick wrote:It depends on prices as you say, but usually I'd prefer a 6.5 + 4.5 over a pair of 5.5s for the same money. Especially if the 6.5 is a Sigurdsson type player.Notned wrote:Hard to make too many plans without knowing prices etc, but just wondering whether it might be possible to squeeze in two premium forwards...
Has anyone ever tried a rotating 4/5th mid? Three to start every week, and then two not much above base price to rotate depending on fixtures? Could be a good money saving scheme to begin with, especially with the promoted teams having decent fixtures..
Any thoughts on decent options who might come in at 4.5m? I will probably look to either Redmond or Johnson at Norwich, or maybe Atsu at Bournemouth (although I quite fancy Ritchie as 4th mid).
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I doubt they will be 4.5, probably 5.0 at least? There were a couple of 4.5 last season in the starting squads of promoted teams, but they were the likes of Jones and James. Boyd was only cheap due to a late move and that's possibly the best chance of a good 4.5 option.
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Using a template is madness - just make sure every player justifies his price (taking into account subs may not play) and no other players have a better justification for being in your team. Think a little about flexibility for future transfers but not too much - an inflexible team is solved by a carried over transfer or a 4 point hit.
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A 4.5 mid will be irrelevant as we will all have him. The value will be finding the 5millies before anyone else
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Should be some good value to be found in that price range. Awkward price point for some though... you looking at a budget fourth mid?Billy Bongo wrote:A 4.5 mid will be irrelevant as we will all have him. The value will be finding the 5millies before anyone else
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Agree 100% hjr, but then again if people want to have a monetary template fine by me...hancockjr wrote:Using a template is madness - just make sure every player justifies his price (taking into account subs may not play) and no other players have a better justification for being in your team. Think a little about flexibility for future transfers but not too much - an inflexible team is solved by a carried over transfer or a 4 point hit.
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