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sibrown4 wrote:How will the Falcao signing effect the dynamic here with Rooney Mata RVP?
It all depends on whether RVP is going off to have this knee surgery. I wouldn't be surprised if Roonster ends up having to sit back a bit.

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Wont LVG have to drop either Mata or Rooney now? I can't see how he'll play Mata, Di Maria, Rooney and Falcao in a team - not to mention RVP if he's also available.

My guess would be Mata will suffer the most now

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smalls wrote:
sibrown4 wrote:How will the Falcao signing effect the dynamic here with Rooney Mata RVP?
It all depends on whether RVP is going off to have this knee surgery. I wouldn't be surprised if Roonster ends up having to sit back a bit.

I read somewhere yesterday (might have been the Guardian) that Man Utd want Rooney to become a midfield player now he has lost that yard of pace that made him such a good striker for them. He used to hate that but talk is that he is now happy to do so. If so then Mata is the loser in all this.

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.............RVP.................Falcao..............

...................Rooney............................

Di Maria........................................Mata

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bulgarche wrote:.............RVP.................Falcao..............

...................Rooney............................

Di Maria........................................Mata
Mata wide right - no.

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bulgarche wrote:.............RVP.................Falcao..............

...................Rooney............................

Di Maria........................................Mata

If RVP is out my guess is Falcao lone striker Roon just off him, then 5 and 3 behind, the 3 being Di Maria Herrera Mata

If RVP ok then who knows really, LVG seems to have a rotating door on philosophies so maybe he'll do the same with RVP and Falcao

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Won't they play a back 3...Herrera and Blind as centre midfielders, have 2 wing backs each side (Shaw, Valencia), then a front 3 which would be Di Maria in attacking midfield, Rooney and Falcao? So more like...


........... Jones, Evans, Rojo............
....Valencia, Herrera, Blind, Shaw..
...................Di Maria....................
...............Rooney, Falcao..............



You can't fit Mata, Di Maria, Rooney, Falcao and RVP in the same team

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Well you can, just depends which philosophy he wakes up with

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I think ppl are reading this wrong.

RVP is injured, Falcao loan is partly a stopgap. We've gone from 4 forwards to 3, dropping the forwards who don't fit into a 1 up top alone system. We're going to run one up top as first choice, with the option to move to 2 strikers if we need to.

I see 4-5-1 with RVP/Falcao up top, The other positions quite fluid depending on personnel but 4 from Rooney/Mata/Di Maria/Herrera/Januzaj, then Blind/Fletcher holding midfield.

I see a bunch of lineups that would work in that formations. Rooney wide or up top, Di Maria central or wide right, Januzaj either wing. Key thing is I think it's clear we only plan on playing 1 striker, given the players we bought/sold.

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Depends on whether RVP's having knee surgery.
Falcao would make a lot of sense then.

Wait and see is my approach.

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magicdave wrote:I think ppl are reading this wrong.
So do I. I think Utd have managed to wangle a two for one deal on knee surgeries at their local Bupa and LvG cannot resist a bargain.

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Is crack the code accurate now?

It suggests he's going to drop, if so I need to get rid tonight.

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deafleopard wrote:Is crack the code accurate now?

It suggests he's going to drop, if so I need to get rid tonight.
I don't think it is accurate but going off the number of transfers out (highest for the round in terms of midfielders at 154602) I wouldn't be surprised.

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swadd1er wrote:
deafleopard wrote:Is crack the code accurate now?

It suggests he's going to drop, if so I need to get rid tonight.
I don't think it is accurate but going off the number of transfers out (highest for the round in terms of midfielders at 154602) I wouldn't be surprised.
Thanks, wanted to wait until tomorrow for latest news on Ramsey & Costa but don't want to chance the drop.
I'm going with Henderson or Tadic on a free, not sure which though?

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deafleopard wrote:
swadd1er wrote:
deafleopard wrote:Is crack the code accurate now?

It suggests he's going to drop, if so I need to get rid tonight.
I don't think it is accurate but going off the number of transfers out (highest for the round in terms of midfielders at 154602) I wouldn't be surprised.
Thanks, wanted to wait until tomorrow for latest news on Ramsey & Costa but don't want to chance the drop.
I'm going with Henderson or Tadic on a free, not sure which though?
Mata to Tadic done ........... £1.9m now burning a hole in my pocket.

Must resist taking a hit for Ivanovic!

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Left him in, see what he does Sunday.

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The Real Slim Shady wrote:Left him in, see what he does Sunday.
How did you resist the urge to start a new thread titled "Mata, leave him in?"

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The journos seem convinced that Mata will lose his place in the long term:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29173863" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Someone has to, and he's been less than than convincing

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Fuzz wrote:The journos seem convinced that Mata will lose his place in the long term:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29173863" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That's all a bit worrying - I've left him in this weekend for his last chance against a side they should beat comfortably. But not much point in that happening if he's just sitting on the bench... :(

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I'm giving him the QPR game to convince me to keep him

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He dropped to 8.8 last night.

If he was a guaranteed starter i definitely would have kept him for a bit.

He may well start this game week and pay back the loyalty given by many but I just think Van Gaal will throw Falcao and Blind straight in and somethings gotta give.

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Well Mata's starting, see: https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/511152459796865024" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Man U team is De Gea, Rafael, Evans, Rojo, Blackett, Blind, Herrera, Mata, Di Maria, Rooney, van Persie. So no Falcao, but he is on the subs bench.

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Looks as though he is sticking with 3-5-2

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Carlb5253 wrote:Looks as though he is sticking with 3-5-2
4-4-2 according to Gary Neville

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gazwood wrote:
Carlb5253 wrote:Looks as though he is sticking with 3-5-2
4-4-2 according to Gary Neville
De Gea

Rafael, Evans, Blackett, Rojo

Blind

Herrera, Di Maria

Mata :mrgreen:

Van Persie, Rooney

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completely agree RomynPG

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Post by MartyBhoy7 »

Took him out in my WC for Di Maria as I thought Di Maria was more likely to start over the coming weeks but actually think Mata is more of a goal threat and could score well today. Wouldn't have taken him out if they hadn't signed Falcao.

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Yep 4-4-2 LvG confirmed

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